Who really cares what smart parts is doing?

[mag-hatter]

there is always another gun that i would like to have. what if i wanted to buy a higher end gun, and tried selling my impulse, then i would walk away with less than half of what i got it for. now, how am i going to have enough money to even think about getting an intimidator when i lost a couple hundred dollars on my deal? any takers on this one?

[Sparks]

deal with it.

The big deal with SP suing is that they didn't come up with the original design that they're suing for. They're sitting on their laurels and trying to get rich through extortion.

When a company like SP makes an unethical decision in an attempt to get more money and the resale of their guns go down due to a backlash from consumers, then that's about as fair as it gets.

What's NOT fair, is that smaller companies are having to pay large sums on top of royalties because SP manipulated patent courts.

SP product owners get what they deserve in terms of resale value. "Not fair" my ***.



By the way, NYX, try using punctuation. Your first post in this thread was downright painful to read.

[trxtr]

Sparks^^is dead on

I think the problem is most people don't know what SP did they just think they're suing a bunch of people for patent infringment, which would be justified.

However, this isn't the case. They patented the Original Shockers' (a mediocre electro at best) DESIGN ONLY, before other electros were on the market.

Other electros came out, sold better than the shocker. SP goes back to their original shocker patent and "adds to it" garbage like "the use of electronic operating systems to engage a pneumatically powered paintball propeller", rather than applying for a new patent like they should have (but didn't because it would have been turned down). Some idiot somewhere granted the patent extension, thus opening the can of worms we have before us today.

Was it legal..technically
should it have happened..NO!!

SP was being fairly beaten in the marketplace and resorted to VERY SHADY tactics to compensate, and any business that operates in this fashion should be BOYCOTTED!!

thanx
trxtr

[mag-hatter]

Originally posted by Sparks

SP product owners get what they deserve in terms of resale value. "Not fair" my ***.
i take it you dont own an impulse. poor you, not having to deal with whats going on. you are totaly out of the line of fire on this issue, and it does not affect you therefore you probably shouldn't be telling US to deal with it. we get what we deserve huh? well did I sue a company for something? no chance. did i support this move by buying a used impulse? no chance. do other people who get impulses simply because they are good guns, and for doing so get kicked in the nuts at every turn, deserve this kind of treatment? i dont think so.



By the way, NYX, try using punctuation. Your first post in this thread was downright painful to read.
the only other thing that makes me mad besides the horrible resale due to a trend in not liking sp is people who tell others to use better punctuation, and grammer. ITS AN ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD, NOT A CLASSROOM!!!!!

[-=Squid=-]

I dont use a single SP thing at all, but I dont give a crap. Its not going to change a thing, and I think talk of a boycott is simply foolish. Its not uncommon practice to do such things, and simply put, if they invented it, why would they want everybody else to use it?

EDIT: Maghatter...SP users get what they deserve? Say they had the gun for a year. Then this happens and resail plumets. In what way did they deserve this? But hey, thats life, I dont really care...not very many guns have that great of resale right now. Wonder why?

[RRfireblade]

FYI,

Sold my Rat for $55 less than I paid new.Not to shabby for depreciation.('Course I put some $ into it as well but you never get that back)Complaining about resale on a paintball gun is like complaining about resale on a new car.It just sucks,period!

Jay.

[bornl33t]

just a heads up... if you think it's ok to buy used sp guns. Say you buy a used gun. Sp doesn't get the money directly. BUT then the guy that just sold you his gun is going to take your money and go right back to sp and buy another one. So the market is going to stay saturated the boycot will never phase Sp

[Muzikman]

Living not far from Smart Parts I got to see the first couple Impy off the line and all I can say is they were complete junk. They did fix some of the issues, but in my mind, SP has never made a quality product without stealing it (MaxFlo) and that 90% of their business is hype. So, yes, I care!

Take this from a person that through the mid 90's was a big supporter of SP.

[thei3ug]

wow, that's pretty hardcore words man, hardcore.

I've been campaigning against Smart Parts Hype and Tactics since 98, and now you're going to tell me I'm a sellout?

For years I've heard "Oh, who cares what they say, so long as it works" and "They wouldn't sell if they were lying" from everyone. All of a sudden AO gets bought by AGD and everyone pretends they knew all along. There's a few names on this board that have been ignored in this industry for YEARS. Not just the big ones like Paladin or Tom, smaller guys who wrote articles since the early 90's on paper and on newsgroups telling you these things. Now SP wins a suit and you've got your panties in a bunch. And you call ME a poser, did you even care what smart parts did before you heard it might affect AGD? It's been YEARS since they began to push.

I learned to work on SP products that I loathed because they're the most popular gun here. You mean to tell me that I have to tell the 14 year old kid who got an impulse for a birthday gift that no, I'm not going to fix it because I'm boycotting Smart Parts? That the Max Flow I bought back in 96 (?) should go in the garbage because though it may still work, it shows a bad image? Or maybe I should sell it used to some jerk who "supports" them for 50 bucks, and take a loss because no one wants a 10 year old reg? Tell me how I'm going to afford that. Tell me how a great many people can afford to ditch their equipment because they don't agree with the policies of the company that made it. Guaranteed you've got products in your house made by child labor, or wage slaves in asia. If you're so worried about SP, why aren't you going through the products in everyday LIFE? Where were you when the Steel industry crashed in the 90's? Did you say "gee, tens of thousands of americans are losing their jobs. Maybe I should look into what my household items are made of." But you're real concerned about paintball I see. talk about rediculous. You're unwilling to acknowledge someone that doesn't put money in SPs pocket but uses their stuff on principle, but willing to buy cars, toasters, TVs, that put people on unemployment. Even greenpeace uses cars once and awhile.

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm posing again.

Get a life.

[Jeremizzle]

My opinion is forget what anyone is doing. If SmartParts had the greatest guns in the world (which i believe they do) would you boycott them? Its all about they're guns and how the preform.

[FooTemps]

I care but not to that high of an extent. Yes, sp wont' stop suing until they're content. We can't stop that. All we can do is sit this out or complain or attempt to do something.

SP did something really underhanded to get more money. I don't agree with it and I don't like it, but what can I do? I can try to petition, I can try to boycott... but there are too many morons who don't understand the concept of underhanded business. There are too many easily manipulated morons out there that would protect SP from bad comments about their underhanded business.

Lets just hope that prices on every electro won't go up $50 to $200 like people have predicted.

[trxtr]

Here's a quick history for all those that slept through it: This country of ours was founded on the power of boycott. Our $$ and where we put it is the only voice that matters anymore. If you've never known that, forgotten it, or just don't live by it, then...I'm sorry for you.

[tony3]

Originally posted by Muzikman
Living not far from Smart Parts I got to see the first couple Impy off the line and all I can say is they were complete junk. They did fix some of the issues, but in my mind, SP has never made a quality product without stealing it (MaxFlo) and that 90% of their business is hype. So, yes, I care!

Take this from a person that through the mid 90's was a big supporter of SP.

The impulse was major junk, was is the key word. They have done so many improvments its unbelievable. Same thing with mags imo. They were slow, ugly, heavy and chopped a lot. In the last few years agd has really taken steps to fix these things. SP did the same, but in a faster manner.+

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by tony3


The impulse was major junk, was is the key word. They have done so many improvments its unbelievable. Same thing with mags imo. They were slow, ugly, heavy and chopped a lot. In the last few years agd has really taken steps to fix these things. SP did the same, but in a faster manner.+

Actually, to correct you... AGD kept it the same for 7 years, then they changed it completely in a about a year and a half. That means AGD was faster than SP to change, but slower than SP to realize their flaws.

BTW: Mags were fast back in their day. Classics are just old products trying to complete in a modern market. Classics are still good entry level markers.

[mag-hatter]

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
EDIT: Maghatter...SP users get what they deserve? Say they had the gun for a year. Then this happens and resail plumets. In what way did they deserve this? But hey, thats life, I dont really care...not very many guns have that great of resale right now. Wonder why?

god dude, did you even read what my posts were?

some people