Who really cares what smart parts is doing?

[nastymag]

Yo tony3... that about the mags is not tru ... the only chopped if you didnt know how to shot them , only slow if you didnt know how to shot them. i use my lvl 7 mini all the time when for some reason i dont feel like using my angel. last time i used it i shoot a whole case with no breaks.

i had an impy , it was ok , but i didnt think it was built so well , it was tall and heavy. Very! fast but thats about the only thing it really had going for it. Vision was a pain the butt. and just because of what SP was legal doesnt make it right, i think it was downright dirty.
so yeah i am boycotting them not to hurt them ( i wish it would though). but just to show that i dont agree with their business practices.

and i actually dont think their products are not that great. the old AA shot tits, buty my Max-flo Crept all the time ( yes i cleaned it). and my freak is not worth what i payed for it.

[mag-hatter]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
FYI,

Sold my Rat for $55 less than I paid new.Not to shabby for depreciation.('Course I put some $ into it as well but you never get that back)Complaining about resale on a paintball gun is like complaining about resale on a new car.It just sucks,period!

Jay.

hmm i wonder how much money you put into that gun to get up to 55 dollars less than you paid new

rats are what, 900 bucks new? ive seen them go used for 700 so you had to have put at least 400 dollars if not 5 or 5 and a half into it to get it back up to that.....you poor little man.

[Timmee]

Originally posted by mag-hatter
yeah does it really matter what your first shot does? jesus! the cool thing about imps is that they come out of the box really fast, and a little lighter than a mag. not only are they lighter than mags, but they are obviously faster for just a little more money. beyond that, you have the option of upgrading the internals and putting extra stuff on it to make it super gas efficient unlike mags. heck, yesterday i upped my shots/tank by like 50-60 just from filling the hammer cap with glue!!!!!! its so easy to upgrade these things! not only are they easy to upgrade, but they are easy to fieldstrip!! no unscrewing something in the middle of the game, just pull a pin and the bolt falls out. strait shot through the gun and you're back in business. i don't see why people are refusing to buy the guns because they are wonderful!!!!!! this whole mess is making the resale of impulses go way down which is not fair. most of these people got their guns before sp even thought about sueing. because of ignorance in the paintball world, the people who bought impulses a little while back are now going to suffer the consequences. how would you like if there was some scandal with mags where tom tried taking someone down for an obvious breach of a pattent and mag prices plumited! would that be the fault of the buyer of the mag, or the one who crated them? its not like you're supporting the company if you are buying used (which i stick to because its cheaper and the gun is usally already ugraded), and letting others buy new. i guess what i'm trying to say is, shut up about smart parts. the only thing you're doing is making people lose money on their purchases who are completely innocent!!! given, there may be a few that have bought their pulses in the last month or two, but does that mean that they are supporting the "paintball nazis" even thought they might have bought it used?!?! wake up and see what you're doing. i am ashamed of those who bash smart parts users just because they have a GREAT PRODUCT AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE COMPANY!!!!!!

thank you

ignorance is not an option.

Ok, first off, I DO care about my first shot. FSDO is indicative of either a poorly maintained, poorly set up, or poorly designed marker. Second off, Bushmasters are awesome markers, which are light, fast, and inexpensive (compared to other markers that operate on similar principles, like the Angel, Intimidator, Viking, etc). Need more speed? If you've got an older board, add a chaos chip (I believe they're only about $40-50 bucks, much cheaper than a board replacement). The new boards, IIRC, are capped at 36 bps, so a chip replacement isn't needed. There are also other upgrades available to the Bushy as well, from several different manufacturers. Field stripping the Bushy is also easy. If you need to squeegee the barrel, it's the same procedure as the imp (pull the pin, take out the bolt, run the squeegee through, and re-assemble).

While the Imp MIGHT be a wonderful marker (like I said, I haven't owned one), it is not the only option. A person can get a quality marker at a decent price, AND still show their displeasure with SP. Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

[sneakyhacker420]

this SP lawsuit is full of lies and hype


and personally i don't really care for the matter what they do until i actually see something happening

[mag-hatter]

Originally posted by Timmee


Ok, first off, I DO care about my first shot. FSDO is indicative of either a poorly maintained, poorly set up, or poorly designed marker. Second off, Bushmasters are awesome markers, which are light, fast, and inexpensive (compared to other markers that operate on similar principles, like the Angel, Intimidator, Viking, etc). Need more speed? If you've got an older board, add a chaos chip (I believe they're only about $40-50 bucks, much cheaper than a board replacement). The new boards, IIRC, are capped at 36 bps, so a chip replacement isn't needed. There are also other upgrades available to the Bushy as well, from several different manufacturers. Field stripping the Bushy is also easy. If you need to squeegee the barrel, it's the same procedure as the imp (pull the pin, take out the bolt, run the squeegee through, and re-assemble).

While the Imp MIGHT be a wonderful marker (like I said, I haven't owned one), it is not the only option. A person can get a quality marker at a decent price, AND still show their displeasure with SP. Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

what is your argument??? you are supposed to be going against impulses and you start talking about vikings, intimidators, and other extremely high end markers...bushmasters are not only a cheep knockoff of an impulse (OBVIOUSLY since bushies are, quoting you, "inexpensive". are you blind to how the gripframe looks?!? its horrible! NOT ONLY THAT, but you can't replace it. a whole new board for the impulse with full auto and other magical things is under 50 bucks and that is just coming out onto the market! it'll probably settle to about 30 bucks in a few months. thats for the whole board, not some stupid chip. the entire bushmaster design was ripped from the impulse look, feel, and operational capability, and if FSDO is so important, there is a 10 dollar mod thats available for you. by the way, i don't experience fsdo because its hype against impulses.

....oh my. first you are calling impulses poorly made, then you are saying that they are wonderful markers and that you have never owned one. bushmasters are not even close to being better or more upgradable than impulses are. not by far! i have yet to see a bushmaster running on an lpr, and have its internals replaced so it can get a good 1200 shots to a 68/3k tank.

[Banshee23]

Originally posted by mag-hatter


the entire bushmaster design was ripped from the impulse look, feel, and operational capability

And the entire Impulse design was ripped from the Tribal... So don't go off on the bushies for copying the Impy, it wasn't anything near original in the first place.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by mag-hatter


hmm i wonder how much money you put into that gun to get up to 55 dollars less than you paid new

rats are what, 900 bucks new? ive seen them go used for 700 so you had to have put at least 400 dollars if not 5 or 5 and a half into it to get it back up to that.....you poor little man.

You know the more you open your mouth,the more you sound like a complete idiot.

Rat impulses start at $700,I paid $750 w/ vision and a bottom line Maxflo.

So your right,they sell for around $700 used.I guess your WHOLE arguement is comletely screwed thanks to you.

FYI,I put about $100 bucks into it.

Nice job making your self look even more stupid.

Keep it up.

[thei3ug]

Originally posted by Banshee23


And the entire Impulse design was ripped from the Tribal... So don't go off on the bushies for copying the Impy, it wasn't anything near original in the first place.

umm, tribals had a LPR.

There aren't many ways you can actuate a sheridan style exhaust valve... let's get off of the whole "ripped off" idea and remember the valve design is 100 years old. k?

[Sparks]

Originally posted by mag-hatter

as ripped from the impulse look, feel, and operational capability, and if FSDO is so important, there is a 10 dollar mod thats available for you. by the way, i don't experience fsdo because its hype against impulses.
bushmasters are not even close to being better or more upgradable than impulses are. not by far! i have yet to see a bushmaster running on an lpr, and have its internals replaced so it can get a good 1200 shots to a 68/3k tank.

Bushmasters come stock with LPRs. A kit to put an aftermarket LPR is available, it does in fact come stock on the defiant.

Goldie does the Vapor mods to a stock bushmaster or BKO that run about $50 i believe that will drastically increase efficiency and lower LPR pressure.

I don't see why it's considered such an advantage to have many upgrades. Doesn't that just mean the design was crappy enough in the first place that a company such as new designz can produce the exact same part of a different material or to tighter tolerances and it could be considered an "upgrade"? Shouldn't SP have done this stuff in the first place?

In the case of something like the Level 10, that's a drastically different method of operation, so don't even try to compare that with a new hammer for an impulse that's the same damn shape as the stock one.

[tony3]

My teammate owned a b2k with all the vapor mods, a freak, all the works. My imp is similar, nd internals, blade trigger, ultralite, let me tell you, my imp is a much better gun. It is more of a solid marker then a bushy. It is faster. The trigger on the bushy is sooo sloppy. I get better efficency, and we paid about the same price.

Imps "need" about 75 bucks of parts to work great, you could spend more to make it work beyond belief. Lots of pro teams are starting to use imps, they are one of the most popular guns in tourneys. "There sponsors make them use them" They wouldnt be shooting imps if they didnt like them. I'm sure if you are good enough to get a gun sponsor you can practically pick who you want.

lets compare a stock imp, to a stock mag.

Freshman imp from epbo-450
new bolt-30
total-480

stock tko mag-280
lvl 10-65
intelliframe-115
total-460

The imps going to be a better gun, no doubt about it. Its going to be faster and more effiecent. Thats what it comes down to. Each gun is going to be consistent. They will both be reliable as long as you lube/oil both, but the imp will be much faster. Tell me 1 advantage that stock mag has over the imp.

Not only will the imp be faster but if you want the mag to be on par with the imp in speed youll need to drop 225 on an xvalve. And the imp is still faster.

[FreshmanBob]

Originally posted by Wc Keep
i could care less. i am going to continue using my freak and eliminating suckers with it cause its good stuff.

By suckers do you mean yourself and your team mates at tournaments?

[nastymag]

hey mag-hater ...when did the Bk2 come out mid 99, the imp came out mid 2000. so how how did ICD rip off the impulse design ?.

granted i really never liked Bk2 ...but the new B2K3 are amazing, great anti chop system, and the trigger is super adjustable. the are super light too.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by sneakyhacker420
this SP lawsuit is full of lies and hype


and personally i don't really care for the matter what they do until i actually see something happening

When something happens it's too late, it would be all over and you could do nothing about it.

[Sir_Brass]

Re: Re: Who really cares what smart parts is doing?

Originally posted by Heat


in a heart beat

agreed. NO company has my loyalty to the point where I'd sell out the sport by staying with them if they were more concerned about making MORE profits (it's not like SP was LOSING money by not patenting something that wasn't theirs to begin with) than improving the sport.

I may not like electros, but SP is going to be the death of them if they continue to sue and demand money out of companies who have markers that use electricity to fire.

[845]

I am almost positive bushmaster were out before impulses.