Jeremy Salm...Captain Team Aftershock

[dre1919]

I don't think he should be made a captain of any team, or even allowed back. That's BS. As a captain, he has a responsibility to set the example and he set a very poor one. I mean, c'mon...it's not like he experienced momentary insanity. The things he did required a very deliberate and time involved set up. At any point during his actions he could have stopped and said "Wait a minute...this is wrong. Wrong for me, my career, the sport, and the kids who may look up to me." He didn't...and that tells you all you need to know about his character. I agree, cheating happens at damn near all events...but not like that. That was waaaaay over the line. Actually, his whole stunt was so over the top it was stupefying. I couldn't believe somebody would actually do something that boneheaded. A year ban was merely a slap on the wrist, and letting him play in another league is further proof that as a whole, pro leagues aren't that interested in propagating a fair league.

I believe in second chances, because everyone screws up. But Jeremy knew full well what he was doing, and he should have to reflect on those actions for a lot longer than one season. That's crap. And when and if he came back, he should have to start from the ground up...and not just slide back in as an Avalanche captain. Salm has a lot to proove as a "professional" athlete to me. Personally, it offends me when I feel I'm a good paintball athlete and would love the chance to play pro just once. Here's an idiot doing it full time and he goes and throws it away like he did? I'd like to knock him out for that. Hell, let me be the captain of Avalanche...at least they wouldn't have to worry about me being off in the woods sniping people.

[LaW]

Yup just because I have no problem with it I am just as disgusted with this event as cphilip is. It really sticks in my head.

[adam shannon]

served his time? paid his debt to paintball? bs like what that guy did hurt paintball for years to come...and he didnt serve any time or repay any debt. for the last year hes been involved with coaching teams and playing tournaments outside the nppl. he didnt loose anything or pay any real price for what he did. avalanch was swollen with big heads and furry feet and about to break up anyway.

the problem with society today is that if somebody has a money making skill...that is making money for others in addition to himself, he will be "forgiven" for the sake of ratings or money.

randy moss beat a kid into a coma while in HS...all it cost him was going a bit lower in the draft out of a lower tier college, now hes everybodies favorite wide receiver and makes just as much $ as if he wasnt a felon.

if ray caruth was paroled today he would be playing for some team who would pick him up at a bargain contract price for the first year just to get a good player for cheap.

a HS near me had 2 cheerleaders and the star football player cought by the police drinking under age. the 2 girls were kicked off the cheer squad..the player was carried onto the field that friday and forgiven because they couldnt win without him. then they fired the cheerleader coach because she went on tv over the treatment of the girls. all because they needed the player to win!

if OJ could still run he would have a job tomorrow!

[Sir_Brass]

and you know what, that is sadly the state of things today. Still doesn't change the fact that was Salm did was wrong. ALL professional pball players CAUGHT cheating in game or even in game but off the field (like Salm) should be cashiered from pro paintball leagues for LIFE. What salm got was something that should've been administered to someone on an amature tourney team.

A PROFESSIONAL is partly defined in that he/she has to adhere to an ethical standard or face SEVERE repercussions. If I, when I enter the engineering world, compromise my ethics just to cut costs on a project for whoever I work for, then I could face never being allowed to work as an engineer ever again because I was found guilty on ethics violations.

In the professional world, ethics violations face severe consequences. The SAME should be in professional sports. A PROFESSION cannot endure if it does not hold itself and those who claim it to some kind of rigid ethical standard. In professional sports this is defined in sportsmanship. If you seriously compromise your sportsmanship by cheating, then you have violated the ETHICS of your profession. You DESERVE to be booted from that profession for LIFE.

That should have been the case with ALL pro sports players who have cheated. THis not only includes Salm and LaSoya, but those in other sports as well.

[fire1811]

hmm cheating is cheating either way
if you wipe you cheated. snipin in the woods..cheated
more of a shocker oh yeah but still just a rule broken

he broke the rules was punished

its the same as half the ppl on AO who get there 3,5 day, month, whatever time ban. they broke a RULE and did there time and are back.


oh yeah
i in NO WAY am saying what he did was right, it was beyond stupid but he took his punishment and is now back.

[Konigballer]

"if OJ could still run he'd have a job tommorow" <---thats great, lol

[fire1811]

oh i can see it now this thread is going to get ugly

[tony3]

Well salm is a great paintballer, and made a mistake, you guys are acting like he shot the president.

p.s. the announcer during chicago open was ripping on salm so much, it was so funny

[pito189]

Originally posted by dre1919
And when and if he came back, he should have to start from the ground up...and not just slide back in as an Avalanche captain.

He doesn't play for Avalanche, he plays for Aftershock. He was never the captain of Avalanche he was the field captain when they were good, as soon as Ed Poormen stepped in they started losing.

Thats my understanding anyways.

[1stdeadeye]

Keep your eyes on the woods!

[trxtr]

Salm's supporters sadden me

and they're the reason paintball isn't going main stream anytime soon.

[pito189]

Re: Salm's supporters sadden me

Originally posted by trxtr
and they're the reason paintball isn't going main stream anytime soon.

HAHA, if you think that is the only reason, then you sadden me.

[Python14]

Paintball doesn't punish cheaters enough. If I cheat in college, I get kicked out. If I were to cheat at work, I would get fire, or possibly arrested. If I cheat at paintball I get a slap on the wrist, then a captains position a year later?


Until now, I liked Aftershock....until now.

[krafty]

Originally posted by cphilip
Heck Pete Rose was banned forever for less. And so were the Black Sox.

This illustrates a good point... MLB is one all-inclusive organization. A ban stands pretty much everywhere since it's the only league, and the minors are an extension of that league.

With paintball, you've got the PSP, NPPL, NXL, and lots of little regional leagues. There's no cooperation between them, so banning someone in one league does nothing about their eligibility in the others.

Until there is one governing body within the paintball community, things like this are still going to happen. If the NXL, NPPL and PSP would only agree to abide by the other's decisions in situations like this I would stand and applaud... but it isn't going to happen. I'd probably actually consider watching Xball once in a while if they had the balls to tell Salm where to go.

The Pete Rose comparison is good too... You have cheaters in baseball. Pitchers carry sandpaper or vasoline to alter the baseball. Batters cork bats. I liken this to wiping a hit in paintball. It may or may not affect the outcome of a game. Rose bet on baseball. He MAY have bet on his OWN team. That may have led him to make decisions that altered many games throughout a season in order to fit with his bets. Who knows how many games Salm tarnished on that day? We'll never know, just like we'll never really know about Rose.

Salm deserves to go and not come back in any professional league. He's forefited his privelige to earn a living at paintball. Period.

[cphilip]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fire1811
hmm cheating is cheating either way
if you wipe you cheated. snipin in the woods..cheated
more of a shocker oh yeah but still just a rule broken

Ok so under your set of standards...Petite theft is the same as murder. They both are "like against the rules man".

he broke the rules was punished

Was he now? In preportion to his actions? I think hardly!

its the same as half the ppl on AO who get there 3,5 day, month, whatever time ban. they broke a RULE and did there time and are back.

Ah well then why do some do some thing so greivious to get permanently banned here? Hmmm... I think you just finished off destroying the point you were trying to make!


oh yeah
i in NO WAY am saying what he did was right, it was beyond stupid but he took his punishment and is now back.

Oh good you just think is was just not that big a deal is what your saying...Just stupidity. So now he has somehow become smarter all the sudden? What degree did he obtain? What did he actually show us that makes us think he now has better judgement? Why would we give him the benefit of the doubt just because time went by? Far as I can tell he did not recieve punishment that NEAR even befitted his actions. He continued to play elsewhere and layed low until he felt he would just go back to normal. And what punishment did he receive? You can't play in these few areas...but you can go ahead and go about your life other than that. Slap on the wrist.