Jeremy Salm...Captain Team Aftershock

[LaW]

Originally posted by abaez
Uhh if that story is true about him in the woods he should not play at the pro level anymore period.

That story is old and true.... i dont see how you can question it

[LaW]

Originally posted by SyntaxError


LOL!

Whatever dude, look at Dynasty having every event rigged for them, I'd seriously love someone to try and defend their last fiasco where the Naughty Dogs shot em and hung the flag only to be told that the game never started? What is this, like 1984? I don't think so.

I've had spectators coach me during games, thats altering the game without being in.

Refs cheat for teams all the time. PRO reffing is an absolute joke, its funded by WDP and guess what, they sponsor Dynasty. Also more than half of the NPPL refs aren't PRO refs, I knew more than half of the refs at NPPL NJ and I doubt they took any reffing course.

And finally, considering Ed Poorman is a whiney stoner punk who orchestrated the whole incident cuz he was fed up with Salm and Lasoya and realized that they would leave to start what is now Miami Effect, I say good luck Salm, cap some punks.

EDIT: And yes I realize that I'm talking about a PSP event in terms of the Dynasty/Dogs game, and PRO refs arent involved, but it isn't hard to influence reffing, hell I've had refs wipe me off during games, I won't lie.

You must be one of those people that buy into anything people will throw at you... I love how people think everything is rigged.. wow...

[50 cal]

Sure, let him play. People know what happened. He will just be under closer scrutiny. Maybe, just maybe it will clean up the wholesale rule bending (cheating) that happens.

So, yeah, let him play. It's not like p-ball will ever be a mainstream pro sport. (donning Nomex suit)

[demonguy8]

Originally posted by cphilip

Oh good you just think is was just not that big a deal is what your saying...Just stupidity. So now he has somehow become smarter all the sudden? What degree did he obtain? What did he actually show us that makes us think he now has better judgement? Why would we give him the benefit of the doubt just because time went by? Far as I can tell he did not recieve punishment that NEAR even befitted his actions. He continued to play elsewhere and layed low until he felt he would just go back to normal. And what punishment did he receive? You can't play in these few areas...but you can go ahead and go about your life other than that. Slap on the wrist. [/B]

Well unfortunatly YOU (or anyone else here) arent in a position to judge the penalty for his actions... The LEAGUE however was, and did to the extent of their power (as Salm was NOT a CONTRACTED PROFESSIONAL player for the LEAGUE banning was the worst they can do to him). Im sure they could have banned him for life but does it matter? Hes not even playing for that league anymore!

On a personal (read opinionated) note I think the problem wasnt really all salm. I VERY strongly doubt the rest of lanche was completely unaware. Furthermore, the lax attitude in general the league (now leagues) had/ still has on ANY FORM of cheating is sickening(to the point where the Salm incident was just a matter of time), along with Referee contamination and the joys of partnerships that just dont seem right, (aka WDP with PRO refs)
Tho hopefully with the advent of CONTRACTED PLAYERS (NXL) and TV cameras watching people wipe, Paintball can take steps forward to combat its corruption and finally become the sport it was always meant to be.

[cphilip]

I am in a position to judge as much as any man would be in a position to judge someones actions that are so obvious. And I realy have no idea why you even talk about judging. It makes no point what so ever. He was caught red handed and dragged out in front of everyone. Judging? Me Judging? Whats that got to do with the price if tea in china? A rats a rat no matter what.

[ERut]

Originally posted by Python14
Jeremy Salm is a douche.

agreed

Originally posted by UltimatePaintballer
thats why chris lasoya quick avalanche

Lasoya's hardly a class act... The problem of paintball is that cheating's just too easy.

If I were in charge he would never play pro in any league again.

[cphilip]

...well the problem with paintball is that we do not have our act together under one governing body that would deal with things like this and make is stick the whole world round. Thats the problem. Once people know you banned from paintball EVERYWHERE if you do it then it becomes more of a deterent. Right now we have little big stick to weld over these guys. They gonna ruin paintball with this kind of thing if we cannot shake this stuff out soon and get our act together.

[GT]

Originally posted by cphilip
...well the problem with paintball is that we do not have our act together under one governing body that would deal with things like this and make is stick the whole world round. Thats the problem.

I think the even larger problem is how the uber pb gonverning body is formed. Let me guess it will be mostly industry people who for the most part are conserned about making money.

The problem with paintball is that all invovled need to humble themselves and understand where the sport came from and where it could go.

Do you think if we had this body of folks now that this SP crap would have ever started?

[adam shannon]

the players will never be brought into line as long as greedy promoters dont care about cheating only ringing big $ out of the talent in the sport. so even if one player is a detriment to the sport the next league is only more than willing to take him. the way paintball is run as a business at the tourney level makes don king and enron look like mr rogers and betty crocker.

[cphilip]

Well I agree that the mess is not easly solved and no I don't think the industry itself should govern. The players should. But with industry support and involvment. The "mess" is just that. No one is in charge. Anyone who wants to be and talks a good story is. Thats not "righteous".

[adam shannon]

Originally posted by Python14
Jeremy Salm is a douche.

actually thats a compliment. a douche is a usefull item designed to clean the unmentionable. salm is more like a "scum bag". anybody know the actual meaning of that term.

[Jack & Coke]

1. Raise the speed limit to 315 fps
2. Players may only wear speedos and mask.

Don't have to worry about wiping, just look for the welts...

[shartley]

Originally posted by gtrsi
There is a complete lack of proffesional skills in paintball. This is only one of many reasons paintball is not ready for TV. [/B]

I agree. But that is why it is being brought to TV in a larger way by OUTSIDE of paintball (Clark). I think this is a VERY good thing.

Originally posted by deadeye9
For those, like me, who didn't know the story:

http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/paintball-terrorists.htm

Good article. And it hits on many points that are keeping paintball from being much more than it is.

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
It would not surprize me if the majority of successful tournament ballers are chronic expert cheaters.

I wonder if the skills and abilities to not get caught cheating rank just as high as snap shooting, superman dives, and extremely animated hissy fits.

[OfficerGoat]

Racing... take Formula ford for example.... its very common practice to run cheater cams in the cars. (Its to the point that Lunati has a specific part number for these) Sure its just a few extra hp.... but that can make the difference.

I bring up racing because its also a very technological sport .. the goal is very simple yet the rules can be very finite and complicated. The same applies to paintball. The top series in racing have to have VERY high quality of "Reffing" in order to keep cheating to a minimum. Look at the lenghts that Nascar goes to in order to keep the cars even. We need whatever televised paintball org to go to these lengths. If a player gets caught with a tweaked gun that dosnt fit they get a chance to fix it and then they get disqualified for the day. Being strict like this will bring things back in order very fast.

Also since there will be cameras envloved we need to have folks looking at the footage for cheating. If you get caught cheating during the last game you go a man or two down the next. If the odds of getting caught go up then the temptation to cheat will go down, especialy if it will hurt you down the road.

All of this means that there HAS to be impartial reffing, which means that the event needs its own reffs not sponsord by a team or a major sponsor for a team.

So far as rough play goes... if its going to be televised and you want more than just ballers to watch... it has to be rough.. rough is exciting and thats what people like to watch. Thats why I like the Nascar Truck searies.... More crashes.

[thei3ug]

personally, i think it's MORE Than fitting he be allowed to captain aftershock. I'm surprised anyone's even complaining about the fact.

Honestly, he's one of the less inventive... "players" on that team, and i think could learn from the tutelage of some of his betters.