What does a $400 to $450 TAC-One mean to you

[dansim]

co2

toms stated all he has to do is a pin swap and teh xvalve will be co2 capable(may not be retro but you get the idea)

[Cilio - Knightmare Tango]

I totally agree with Odder, I was surprised the old Mags stayed around for as long as they did. It's time is past. It's not that it's not a good gun, it's just been improved. Is AGD supposed to wait until every old Mag has been sold off the shelves before they move into the future?

Pretty much the entire Mag is in it's Valve, it's wonderful, effective simplicity. No electronics, very few parts(Except in the Valve) and I would think, should be able to undercut in price much of the Market whose guns are more complex and seemingly harder to manufacture.

The fact is, I don't really need another paint gun, I have no problem with just buying the Tac-One body. I also am not the slightest bit mad that the value of my other Micro's and Mags will drop because of this. Buy a video camera this year and see what it's worth two years from now when new technolgy comes out that's much better and even cheaper then what the original camera cost. My current computer is god knows how many times better than the one I purchased two computers back and cost less than 1/3 of what it did.
What was state of the art then is common place and cheaper to make now.

[Big_M]

Well, I'll tell you what it means to me, it means that, I finally can afford a decent mag!!!!!!!!! looks like I konw where all my X-mas money is going

[Koosh]

They said it... its Co2 compatibility...

Here on the internet its easy to say "Oh well, HPA is everwhere now, people need to move into the future"...

Northern Colorado is stuck in the past. 2 places fill HPA within 40 miles of me. I like paintball and all, but I'm not driving an hour just to fill a tank, when I can get my Co2 filled in 10 minutes. That and the cost of tanks is kinda prohibitive, being a poor college student and all. I know I can get a 47/3k tank for 50 bucks, but then I'd be driving an hour to fill a tank which I can only get 500 shots on.

I also seem to remember AGD saying something along the lines of they sell 10 classic valves for every Retro. These are where the local shops come in. Not every person who plays paintball found out about it on the internet. I've played with guys who ask where I got all this fancy stuff, when I say the internet the give me a blank look. THE MAJORITY paintballers use low end blowbacks on CO2. Without them, this sport would shrivel and die. AGD would be making a mistake by turning their backs on that market, and they know it.

As for AGD's marketing plan, I don't really know. I'm going to school to be a scientist, not an economist or businessman. I'll leave the speculation to people that know what they are talking about.

[cockermongol]

I think this means that not only will you be getting more new mags (tac one's) into the average paintball player's hands, but the fact that the resale value on mags will drop will also attract people to buying a used one.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

A Tac One for $450 means I just might buy another marker. I'm pretty happy with my Classic, but that is a very good deal.

I agree that it is probably time to discontinue the Classic and Mini lines. I imagine that has already been decided, and they are just using up the last of the old-style valves and bodies. Same as how the RT-Pro has evolved recently to an I-frame and ULE body as the old stock ran out of each part. The new CO2-compatible X-valve will mean that AGD will still be able to offer markers for those who haven't yet adopted HPA.


TOM - Please don't sell the Tac One with no warranty. The way you stand behind your products has always been a strong part of the AGD reputation. As a new product, this one has few new working parts (save the CO2 pin), and you shouldn't expect significant warranty compliance costs, I would think. Save money by offering stock trigger frames instead.

[Hasty8]

Re: What does a $400 to $450 TAC-One mean to you

It means that I will be selling my Armotech WP-75, my teo M98 Customs and my A-5.

I'll be keeping the Emag and the Orracle.

[Garrum]

A $400-450 Tac One would mean that I might-MIGHT - gamble on a Mag. I have stayed with my Tippann's (a Model 98 and an A5) for this long because they were they closest thing to the kind of paintball gun that I want, ie; more militaristic, and they are as reliable as a paintball gun can be. Then along comes this 'Tac One'. "Hmmm. Picatinny rails? At the right angles to use with a dot sight? I don't like that too-close-to-the-rear fore grip, but it says it comes off. I could see a custom RIS type barrel shroud mounted on that upper front rail, and I could hang a fore grip off of that in the proper place. I can either use a stock grip frame, or Dremel off the lower half of that double trigger if necessary. Hmmmmm....maybe....just maybe." My mind was clicking, but to buy one would be a gamble.

Now, you may be wondering why I say 'gamble' on a Mag. Well, my friend bought a used Mini Mag a little over a year ago, and it has given him so much trouble that *I* am frustrated with it. Chop's paint almost before you start shooting, will sometimes just quit for no apparent reason, and has had some major trouble with bolt stick. After a little while of this crap, and fighting off our urges to take it out in his backyard and see what our Glock's will do to it, we decided that it was a fluke piece of worn out junk. So...

He bought another Mini Mag, this one in much better shape. But it still was a near nightmare. The paint chops went down, but there were still a distressing number of them. And he is no master trigger walker either. I'm talking 9-10 bps max with a Halo B pushing them. Occasionally it springs a phantom leak around the valve for a few seconds, apparently to remind us that it is still here. And all through this, my cheap, dirty, blowback semi Tippmanns just keep on keepin' on.

Now, admittedly, I am basing my observations on two used guns, but the second Mini Mag was in good shape. Better shape than my 98 was in when I bought it used. But regardless, I am wary of Mags because I have seen what they can be like if the moons aren't in alignment.

Now, he has bought another Mag. This time, an X-Mag. He is either risking being a major glutton for punishment, or out to prove that the third time really is the charm. I, in one of those rare instances where one person truly can learn from another's potential mistakes, will watch and see if a gun that costs over $1200 can dispell the bad things I have seen about Mags. As in, will it run for more than an hour without something exploding/chopping/leaking/or falling off. Mostly, I'll be watching to see if the Lvl 10 bolt really does eliminate chops, as that was the biggest problem he had with the others. I'll also be watching to see how much time he has to spend to keep it running. If it does ok, then I would feel much more inclined to lay out my $400-450 for the Tac One. And $400 is a good bit of money in my neck of the woods, especially for a paintball gun.

[dmocratic]

Okay, here's my Tac-One decision criteria:

price $450, because I have that in the fun-money bucket.

Must have a factory warranty, because I don't want any
hassles in the future, and because a company should
ALWAYS stand behind it's products.

Must run off CO2, because I have a lot of CO2 bottles,
and only 4 HPA tanks, which are already dedicated to
four of the 'mags we already own; I don't want to buy
another HPA tank, and a CO2 bottle can be lighter
than equivalent shot-capacity HPA tanks as well.

Must be able to buy it from my local dealer, because
he gives a lifetime-labor warranty with every marker
he sells (even used ones), and is a stand-up guy.
All 5 of our 'mags, we bought from him. We trust him.
There is nothing AGD sells that I need so badly
that I would bypass me dealer to get it. Which means
if my dealer can't get it, and make some money on it
(so he is around next year too),
I won't buy it.

Do I care that the resale value of the 5 'mags I own
now will go down ? No, depreciation is a cost of playing.

But I like my local dealer, and I need my dealer.
So don't screw him if you want (more of :-) my money.