whoa! super souped spyder!

[LeatherPants]

FYI- I was talking with Todd from the Bushwhackers today and guess what. Bad Company is not going to be shooting Spyders for the new season. According to him they are looking for a new marker since their game has improved past their markers.

So for all of those who used to say "hey a pro team uses Spyders." Guess what not anymore.

EM1 were good though.

I personally never found Spyders to be consistent. Even with a good loader they still chopped. Don't cycle as smooth as a a Matrix, Timmy Cocker you name it. Hell I know its prefrence but a Team that swore by the Spyder is now looking for a better gun....well that tells you something too.

It's not about money either because Kingman supports Bad Company very well....but according to Todd, BC is looking and should be shooting something new starting the new year.

[nerobro]

FYI, the em1, was and is crap. It's a gun depenant on regs built by a company that can't build a good reg.

I run a spyder as my tourny gun. it's lighter than a timmy. With good paint, and a good paint match, I get a 5fps spread. I can chrono at 295 and not worry about a hot shot. it's more consistant shot to shot than an impulse. (stand behind a guy shooting an impulse fast, watch the sine wave instead of the lazer of paint you'll get with a mag... or any gun with a dump chamber, or a spring driven hammer) And it gets 1700 shots off the 68/45. It also cycles at greater than 40 cycles per seccond. A speed that's only incresing with lighter components.

With Pi's new board, we have eyes now. And even without that, JAM makes bolts that give us the advantages of the LX. The gun won't chop, just resets on the ball and gets ready to fire again.

The Pi boards also uncap the gun ;-) I can set the board faster than the gun can recock. (that's 40+ ;-) )

Ask the guys at the IAO about my spyder. I don't push the guns on people. I don't push mags, I dont' push cockers. (I have both, and love them dearly.)

Bugman's guns are great. They work really well. There's a thousand dollars in that gun, between milling, and anno. Think about what people have spent on lowly mags. His guns preform.

At least one person mentiond piling upgrades on a spyder. Well a dragun in this case. When you do such a thing, you just make it preform badly. Espeically with the newer slim striker guns. All you need to do to get preformance like bugman and I do out of spyders, you just need to feed them right. Good regulated air. Round paint, and a barrel to match.

Dont' attack a gun because it's cheap. And if you want to talk build quality, take a look at the quality of milling on bob longs guns. And compare it to a spyder. the spyders milling is cleaner, and without a ton of time on the polishing wheel, come out clean looking. Or you can take a look at the other guns that have come out recently. Groan in disgust.

[LeatherPants]

Well like I said it's preference. I like shoot autocockers, I own 5. Lots of people don't like cockers. I don't like current Timmys though I am waiting to see how the 04 are.

If you like Spyders then more power to you....I don't.

BUT I do give respect to Kingman because almost everyone starts with a Spyder and there is no need for them to make a "tourney" gun...they make good money on entry level markers. I don't think they need to waste the time and money to develop one.

[WARPED1]

The Raven Nexion is Kingmans latest attempt at a tourney gun.

[FragTek]

Originally posted by LeatherPants
Well like I said it's preference. I like shoot autocockers, I own 5. Lots of people don't like cockers. I don't like current Timmys though I am waiting to see how the 04 are.

If you like Spyders then more power to you....I don't.

BUT I do give respect to Kingman because almost everyone starts with a Spyder and there is no need for them to make a "tourney" gun...they make good money on entry level markers. I don't think they need to waste the time and money to develop one.

I see more people starting with M98C's than anything else these days, which I personally think is the correct and most suitable choice for a beginners marker. Cheap and reliable. I myself started with a Tippy when I began the sport.

I do see a lot of people on the field with Spyders though. However, the Spyders that I see most commonly are the old-skewl Spyders that were actually pretty nice (I think they have gone down hill since their introduction to the industry).

I'd take a Tippy over a Spyder any day.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

Originally posted by FragTek

I'd take a Tippy over a Spyder any day.

Same here

[hAppy]

tippys have their foregrip and their trigger way too far apart...

after playing too long w/ angels and junk, you realize damn... tippys feel way out there

[FragTek]

They feel like a Timmy to me... and thats the reason I lost the feel for the M98.. yet its functionality is great.

[WARPED1]

I had a SMG60(.62 CALIBER FULL AUTO) 68 Special, and a Pro/Am from Tippman back in the days of yore..............

[LeatherPants]

Well the sad thing is and maybe it's just cali. But I help out at a local shop doind their E Blade tuning and one of the first questions I always get from people who are looking to pick up their first marker.

"Which one shoots full auto...." Of course the second ususally is "Which one shoots farther."

So alot of people at least from what I've seen pick a Spyder...Also Kingman is based out of so cali so I see ALOT of spyders.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

lol i remember my newbish days. i wanted the one that shot fast.

[WARPED1]

It was all pumps when I started. I wanted the Razorback 3..............

[WarpFeedonaSpyder89]

the one on the site that *arkfear* posted is wicked, but doesn't look electro. i still think bad companies' AMG classic spyders are awesome, but thats just me

[Xyxyll]

Originally posted by WarpFeedonaSpyder89
the one on the site that *arkfear* posted is wicked, but doesn't look electro. i still think bad companies' AMG classic spyders are awesome, but thats just me

SuPrBuGmAn's Pride is not electro. Sloth is though. So is Greed (off to the anodizers right now).

[WARPED1]

Personaly, the only Spyder I like, is the EM1, nearly identicle to the B2K/Impulse, but no one bought it because it said Spyder. To most(not all), Spyder equals n00b crap.