Annodizing voids warranties????

[FragTek]

Well, if the marker is operationally perfect after an ano from wherever, then all is well. BUT, even if all is well an AGD decides to void your warranty over it, is it worth it? In my opinion no. I would much rather have my gun warranted than be a different color.

As far as tolerances go, they do definately get changed throughout the ano process. Rogue gave me a link to a very interesting "Anodizing Facts / Process" page which explained how the ano process does indeed change the specs on whatever happens to be getting anoed. Enough of a change that it sounds potentially harmful to the correct operation of a mag. Now, I'm not saying that I fully support this theory as I have seen mags that are custom anoed that work as if nothing ever happened to them. But, it did detail the ano stripping process and explained that it does take a good portion of aluminum with the ano and can actually pit the aluminum (I'm sure this sort of thing would never happen if you it were being done by say M.A.X. Ano).

It would be nice to see a CERTAIN answer from someone at AGD that could post the truth about the warranty being voided after a re-ano, because I am VERY curious to know if it's worth it to have the process done. I came very close to sending my mag in for an ano until Rogue brought this to my attention, and then I brought it to Pointman's attention, and it has sparked his "need-to-know" sensors as well. Someone from AGD care to comment?

[Steelrat]

Wait a minute? Re-ano, we dont do that? Didn't someone say that they sent a batch back to get them re-ano'd? So which is it?

[Steelrat]

I remember something about the bad annos too, and I distinctly remember something about them going back, as I found that odd at the time. I'll search.

[Steelrat]

And here we go!

By now everyone should just expect this kind of thing when it comes to Xmags. Also if you saw your gun in the pics you might not be getting it becasue we sent a bunch back because of scratches in the ano.

Well, straight from AGD. So they either retouched them (is that even possible, and wouldnt that just jack up the existing anno?) or they were stripped and reanno'd. And if AGD itself can do that, why cant we?

[pointm@n]

Hey I remember seeing that too Steelrat. Good observation.

Also is anyone having a difficulties opening the links that Rogue left?

[CoolHand]

Here's one -

Originally posted by AGD
. . . . . A bunch did come out crappy and we sent them back for re-ano before the show. These guns are NOT FOR SALE and are going to special people involved with the company. . . . . .

AGD

Note there that he said they would not be sold, but they also weren't being thrown away. BTW, that thread was over a year old, and they were talking about the pre-production Xtreams that went to WC in 2k2.

I also destinctly remember one of the AGD staffers or dully appointed reps saying that several parts had to go back to be redone because of scratching and general poor surface finish from the sticky about the next to last batch of XMags, which obviously were sold.

I couldn't find the thread back just now, but when I do, I will post the quote here.

EDIT - Bingo! Steelrat found it. I knew I had not imagined that.

Good job bud.

[Steelrat]

Well, how about a re-anno service thru AGD? Out of the ones they sent for re-anno, how many were rejected due to tolerance issues? If it can be done in that instance, it can be done for other guns.

[VanGogo]

Ok, hate to do it, lol, but I will add my 2 cents here.

I have reanodized: 1)ule bodies (adam shannon's)
2)sfl's (jeffrey miller's had already had a home ano job done to it, so that was the 2nd time it was redone)(LoadSM5's as seen at AO SE)
3)quite a few other mags like micromags (ChucktheMAGician's, RRFireblade's)

No one has had any problems with them working as far as I know. I am sure I would have heard from them if there was a problem.

This is not to say that re-anodizing is 100% safe for your marker. As an anodizer I tell my customers it is at your own risk, but the risk is minimal unless you are talking about your valve. But even with that said, I have 2 valves in for re-ano (both X-valves if I remember right) and we will see what happens.
Coolhand had some very valid points in his earlier post,about the wear ect. being greater than a re-ano, but as a manufacturing company that backs up their products with excellent customer service, AGD cannot waste time and resources trying to fix a problem that may have been caused by a re-ano job. Their point is very valid. The only way AGD can continue to give good service, and honor their warranties is to only honor the warranty for parts that are stock and unchanged. Why, because these parts were already checked prior to being put up for sale to ensure that AGD would incur little, to no future costs in the repair of these parts. Makes very good sense if you like to stay in business!
Now all that being said, if you truely wish to have a custom anodized gun, order an X-mag to your liking and wait. Or grow some cajones and get it re-anodized. Just make sure who ever does the work knows what they are doing.

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[CoolHand]

Now that makes sense.

If they would just say "We don't want to be responsable for other's work." that would be fine.

But they don't (now this is going back to a deeper issue), they make up complex excuses, and then have to spend a bunch of time explaining what they said, and then defending what they said.

This has popped up again and again, the XMag ano troubles of a while ago, the bandwidth issues for the forum (read that as no attachments), the re-ano warranty discussion, etc.

I personally don't like being patronized; I doubt many people do, but that is exactly what they are doing every time they make up a story instead of just coming clean and saying what is wrong, or telling everyone they don't know (when it happens they really don't know).

I know I have been a bit critical and very vocal with these criticisms of late, but when someone (AGD in this case) has sway over so many people (even though you guys don't think so), I find it hard not to call out problems when I trip over them (much like the guy who trips on the crack in the sidewalk, and then points it out to every passerby).

I will let this one go for now, I've said my piece.