AGD Kids win Country Club 3 man

[agdemagman69]

Originally posted by sellout007


You seem to be missing the point and avoiding the points that are being thrown at you.

Im posative that the teams there, IF they were informed that they would be playing against amaB players that play in the nppl and psp they would have NOT paid to get into the tournament.

But the fact is that CCP did not inform them. Why? Because they could give two ****s. They want the money, thats all they care about. They knew full well who they were letting in and knew full well what was going to happen.

And if you have ever played a tournament in your life you know that you will never get a refund the day of the tourney.

Your right, you do need to play teams that are better then you to get better. But does that mean you pay hundredds of dollars to do it? No, of course not. You play them at practice, and when you THINK you have a fighting chance to beat them then you step up to THEIR level and join the tournaments that they play in. Not the other way around. Get it straight o).

CCP is more at fault then anyone here. I cant blame AGD for playing in a tournament where they new they would basically walk away with free guns. Id be drawn to that too. But dont even try and defend them and say its right for them to be in those kidns of tournaments, it wont fly.

Very well said

[tony3]

I agree with Coolgsak.

AGD Kids won skyball under the AM division, thats the highest divsion at skyball. That is considered a national level tourney, it will attract people from all over the US and Canada, and they won it, under AM. Then they play a LOCAL tourney under NOVICE? How fair is that? I'm sure ccp didn't even think about not letting them play. This is the land of agd stuff, and if they refuse to let an agd sponsored team not play that could take a toll with their relationship with agd. The fact of the matter is, agd kids were entered this tourney for some quick cash, even though they damn well knew that they were going to be the best team out there. I really doubt the integrity of some of the guys on agd kids now...

[magking1971]

Law your only 20?
I thought you were much older then that...

[fire1811]

can someone show me the rule that a national novice tourney is different then a local novice tourney?

[cphilip]

Ok... everyone had their say?

Fact is they played in the division they were ranked.

Fact is they were probably the most seasoned team in that tourney.

Fact is they demonstrated they were pretty darn good.

Fact is the Tournament organizer recognised their classification was correct and let them play.

Fact is there is a VERY WIDE disparity of talent in Am division. But the promoter needed teams to he had to take all the variites of people in that division to make any money putting it on.

Fact is teams like the kids use tournaments likes these to gain practice time. They close to them and they cheaper to attend.

Fact is if you don't like these rules then work to change them and better clarify rankings and divisions. But good luck getting the promoter to go along with it. He wants teams and entry fee's.

Fact is they did nothing wrong and did everything within the guidlines of that event.

Fact is they just happened to be the best team their. And showed it.

Fact is you can be sour about it and consider it unfair all you want but IT WAS FAIR according to the event and according to existing classification rules.

Congrats guys. Just remember that the more your in the spotlight the more people will target you for critisism. It just goes with the territory. Its nothing personal I am certain. Its jealousy and envy more of it than not. Some of it is critisism of the way things are in local tournaments. And we all know they are not perfect nor always fair. As Tom says paintball can be an ugly bussiness. At its prettiest!

[trixx75]

#1 Reason why I don't bother entering some of these tournaments, especially at CCP. There are always teams that sandbag at these local tournaments.

These local tournaments are usually not governed well and they don't look at teams, they look for the money coming in. More teams equal more money.

So I'm not very surprised to see this happen. Either way, what can you do about it. They won the tournament and got the prizes, will CCP recognize this issue, I doubt it. When big prizes like that appear at a tournament, be prepared to have sandbagging involved, it means you have to play just as hard for the prize if you want it.

Unless you go to a NPPL or PSP, a big event like that sandbagging will always slip through the cracks.

[cphilip]

Well what you call sandbagging is a team with more experience in your division looking for a local place to get some real tourney practice in. If you don't want to compete then I guess you wouldn't enter. They entered as the level they are ranked. If everyone else that entered is so ranked but not as good they will not win. Just calling it a dirty name don't make it the case. I see local teams that are serious coming to all the local tournaments around here. Sometimes they DO NOT win! Sometimes a couple kids having fun beat em! And thats fun to watch too. Most of them are above Most of the teams there that enter. Its the way you get some good competition in. I have seen my Son get together a pick up team and lose to a local high skill team that you would call "Sandbaggers" and take it to em and even win a game or two off them. And yet lose the tourney but be every proud of the fact his little group took it to the "Pro's". He was never dissapointed to lose the tourney as long as he could give them dudes a good wackin! It would have ment far less to win against a bunch of 13 year olds as it did to take a game from the local Pro team. I agree that the rankings are very broad. But they are as they are. If you really are not that material then don't waste your time. Play for fun. Tournament ball is not the most fun kinda ball out there. You certainly should never take the attitude why try cause I can't beat em. They all beatable. Every one of them.

[tony3]

Well, yes I guess you could "consider" it their right division, but a local novice tourney is going to be nothing like the AM division at skyball, the fact is, agd kids should take the step and start playing with the big boys

[cphilip]

They do that too. But I guess you missed my point that all teams look for some local tournaments to keep in practice. They spend money out of thier own pockets to do this. They have jobs and college to pay for. They DO NOT have a full ride. They live in this area and this is one of thier home fields. Expect ANY Team to show up local when they can if they are serious about thier team play.

I guess you run out of arguments and have to just admit you just would rather the competition be lighter so you have a better chance to win after a while.

[shwerp]

This whole thread and everyone complaining or defending them is all personal opinion. God Bless the U.S. By what the rules state, what the kids did was perfectly fair, but the question that you have to ask yourself is would you play in a tourney where you know you have a very good chance of winning because the skill level is considerably less then that of your team, especially when it is a local tourney and most of the people there are fans of yours. What is bothering people the most is that pipe dream of an agd team being perfect is now broken. Like I said, by rules what they did was perfectly fair and congrats on goin undefeated in a tourney, but honestly, I think most people around here expected kids to be "stand up" guys and participate at a level where there is equal competition for everyone. Some people on this thread will defend them till the day they die, others will attack them. Just listen to each others sides instead of being so stubborn to completely ignore the facts of what happened. That goes for first time posters to mods...

[demonguy8]

Originally posted by cphilip
They do that too. But I guess you missed my point that all teams look for some local tournaments to keep in practice. They spend money out of thier own pockets to do this. They have jobs and college to pay for. They DO NOT have a full ride. They live in this area and this is one of thier home fields. Expect ANY Team to show up local when they can if they are serious about thier team play.

I guess you run out of arguments and have to just admit you just would rather the competition be lighter so you have a better chance to win after a while.

Sigh.. Im giving up on this... The ignorance displayed by so many people in this thread is sickening (not entirely directed at you cphil but your last 3 posts ARE quite saddening). The only thing I can figure is that some people here are entirely too agd brainwashed to see the truth, The Kids played out of their division, end of story. I suppose if Dynasty were to go play a local Am tourney and dominate everyone for their own benifit, that it would be OK too huh?

A few side notes: The Kids didnt pay for that tournament, They paid probably a combined $400 for three 2k3 shockers and a day of "PRACTICE" (your words not mine). Personally I think both the KIDS AND CCP owe whoever paid money for this tourney at least an apology.

Im done with this thread, if anyone wants to argue the finer points PM me.

[shockerfreak]

all i have to say is congrats ... i play in WI and have agd teams compeating against us all the time we are a first year tourney team and a damn good one thus far and only in thanx to these types of people but don;t hold your head down (newbie) or let this take your love for the sport away just do as we did practice harder and come back when you can and show then how you do things .... i play against the bling bling allstars in two seperate tournies now and they indded win both but not to neone's dispare they had people there that plaied as well if not better in the games they were given .. i know indeed my team beat them in a game and were the only ones to do so all day .. and thats what keeps me going to know that i did beat them and now i have a new found respect and trust for this sport to love and play it for a long time now .. and if you dont; want to play to beat the best you will never be the best .. all i have to say .. zach "bong" brazeau team INSOLENCE ... (aso played with my friends of rage in a cage for 2 tournies to help em out) and i love this sport and quit *****in' get out there and play

[kevinkills99]

Originally posted by shockerfreak
all i have to say is congrats ... i play in WI and have agd teams compeating against us all the time we are a first year tourney team and a damn good one thus far and only in thanx to these types of people but don;t hold your head down (newbie) or let this take your love for the sport away just do as we did practice harder and come back when you can and show then how you do things .... i play against the bling bling allstars in two seperate tournies now and they indded win both but not to neone's dispare they had people there that plaied as well if not better in the games they were given .. i know indeed my team beat them in a game and were the only ones to do so all day .. and thats what keeps me going to know that i did beat them and now i have a new found respect and trust for this sport to love and play it for a long time now .. and if you dont; want to play to beat the best you will never be the best .. all i have to say .. zach "bong" brazeau team INSOLENCE ... (aso played with my friends of rage in a cage for 2 tournies to help em out) and i love this sport and quit *****in' get out there and play

Sorry, but that was the biggest jumble of words i've ever seen.... Did that have anything to do with this thread?

Since when did CCP state they were using NPPL or PSP rules? This is a local tourny, there's no getting around that. It was not advertised on any forums, or endorsed by a major paintball company. Did they have to? Not necessarily, but why would they hold this tournament for more experienced players, when they only told the rec-ballers or semi-decent players at their field? They are trying to play this off like it was some experienced players tournament, and that everyone knew that. Not at all. If any of you were there, you would've seen the turnout. It was a very young group of people who have never played a serious tournament in their life. CCP did a horrible job of stating their "novice" definition, both at the field and on their site. All these kids join the tounrnament only to find out a successful amatuer team is playing with them. Their tippmans were shaking in their hands. What are they to do? Complain? What good will that do if the a-hole owner just tells them to go away? I was very disappointed in the way I, and other teams were treated at this tournament. There's a rookie tournament there in January. AGD teams, you going to play this one? You have played a few rookie tournaments in your day right? Maybe you qualify for that. Hey, they prize is more 03 shockers! You people make me sick. And demonguy, I'm with you on that idea. I'm done. You are all sucked into the cult. Have a nice day.

[cphilip]

You can yell biase all you want. Facts remain the same. They played in their division and you don't want to play head to head with them cause you want a better chance to win without doing it on the field against the best team that shows up. You want the bar lowered. You want the competition limited so your chances are better. Sorry but that in itself is as greedy and self serving as you claim them to be. The pot calling the kettle black here. Once you have to resort to name calling your argument gets lost.

[fire1811]

Originally posted by fire1811
can someone show me the rule that a national novice tourney is different then a local novice tourney?

all you people complaining i still waiting for my link?