AGD Kids win Country Club 3 man

[Booya39]

Some FYI:

I talked to George who owns CCP and he said 2 teams came up before the tournament and said they were not aware of the level of competition that was present when they signed up and they asked for their money back. Guess what... THEY GOT THEIR MONEY BACK. Stop blaming others because youre intimidated by blue jerseys.


You do realize that a true rookie team got 2nd place??? I think you need to stop blaming other people and go practice.

If the players that came to play for agd had novice NPPL ID cards... CCP is probably going to honor that, and they did.

[trixx75]

Well, I'm kinda confused on what exactly is defined as they are playing in their division???

I did a small search on the AGD Kids and found a number of Amateur tournaments that they play in and place in 1st place or top 5. Here are a few with links to the sites. And from what I'm looking at they are sponsored by AGD in some way unless I'm wrong on that part, but someone can clear that up.

Another question I have, is AGD Pride a part of AGD kids?

Some sites with their Amateur standings and other novice tournaments they have gone to as well.

Feb 2003: Congratulations to AGD KIDS!
Toronto Canada, Skydome, Skyball

Airgun Designs team, the AGD Kids, won First Place in this years Skyball event. Read on for details!
Airgun Designs (AGD) congratulates the AGD Kids on their victorious trip to Canada. All their hard work, training, and dedication paid off as they took 1st Place in the Amateur Division at this year's Skyball 5-Man tournament. The Kids' roster consists of:

Jay Smith
Andy Nolen
Mark "Lunchbox" Sommer
Chance Celeste
Jason "Chester" Manchester

Aiding the Kids in their victory were their 4 E-Mags and 1 Automag RT, all of which are equipped with AGD's Lvl 10 Low Impact Bolt upgrade kit. The winners went through 15 cases of paint--without a single break.

The Kids would like to personally thank Tom Kaye, Airgun Designs, Gino Postorivo, National Paintball Supply, and Extreme Rage for their ongoing support in their efforts.

http://www.airgun.com/news/congratskids.shtml

Tournaments!

Wisconsin's largest indoor paintball facility, at over 59,000 sq. ft.
The Largest Indoor field east of the Rockies. Located just North West of Milwaukee on Highway 45.

Feb. 2nd, 2003
Amateur 5 Man Tourney

Top 4 Teams - Round Robin Finals - Results

1st Place
AGD KIDS - $1450 Cash Prize

http://bfgpaintball.com/tourneyfile/5man02022003.htm

Wisconsin's largest indoor paintball facility, at over 59,000 sq. ft.
The Largest Indoor field between the Appalachian Mountains and the Rockies. Located just North West of Milwaukee on Highway 45.

SUNDAY December 1st 2002
3 Man Tourney

AGD Kids 1st Place $560.00

http://bfgpaintball.com/tourneyfile/3man12012002.htm

2003 International Amateur Open
Tournament Results
5 Player Amateur
1st Place - Tippman Effect
2nd Place - Ground Fire
3rd Place - Aruba Madness
4th Place - AGD Kids

http://www.teameffortevents.com/iao/site/press_releases/final_scoring_03.html

[fire1811]

ahh jr
welcome to AO

later
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[trixx75]

Yeah, that True rookie team could have gotten 1st place if the AGD Kidz didn't take it, what if you were that rookie team and you placed second and found out that the 1st place team is an amateur team that just took away your shockers. I would be pretty pissed.

And as I recall, CCP tournaments you only get prizes for 1st place, second doesn't get you squat.

I personally don't really care about this but I find this to be a very funny thread to read.

[LaW]

Originally posted by trixx75
Well, I'm kinda confused on what exactly is defined as they are playing in their division???

I did a small search on the AGD Kids and found a number of Amateur tournaments that they play in and place in 1st place or top 5. Here are a few with links to the sites. And from what I'm looking at they are sponsored by AGD in some way unless I'm wrong on that part, but someone can clear that up.

Another question I have, is AGD Pride a part of AGD kids?

Some sites with their Amateur standings and other novice tournaments they have gone to as well.

Feb 2003: Congratulations to AGD KIDS!
Toronto Canada, Skydome, Skyball

Airgun Designs team, the AGD Kids, won First Place in this years Skyball event. Read on for details!
Airgun Designs (AGD) congratulates the AGD Kids on their victorious trip to Canada. All their hard work, training, and dedication paid off as they took 1st Place in the Amateur Division at this year's Skyball 5-Man tournament. The Kids' roster consists of:

Jay Smith
Andy Nolen
Mark "Lunchbox" Sommer
Chance Celeste
Jason "Chester" Manchester

Aiding the Kids in their victory were their 4 E-Mags and 1 Automag RT, all of which are equipped with AGD's Lvl 10 Low Impact Bolt upgrade kit. The winners went through 15 cases of paint--without a single break.

The Kids would like to personally thank Tom Kaye, Airgun Designs, Gino Postorivo, National Paintball Supply, and Extreme Rage for their ongoing support in their efforts.

http://www.airgun.com/news/congratskids.shtml

Tournaments!

Wisconsin's largest indoor paintball facility, at over 59,000 sq. ft.
The Largest Indoor field east of the Rockies. Located just North West of Milwaukee on Highway 45.

Feb. 2nd, 2003
Amateur 5 Man Tourney

Top 4 Teams - Round Robin Finals - Results

1st Place
AGD KIDS - $1450 Cash Prize

http://bfgpaintball.com/tourneyfile/5man02022003.htm

Wisconsin's largest indoor paintball facility, at over 59,000 sq. ft.
The Largest Indoor field between the Appalachian Mountains and the Rockies. Located just North West of Milwaukee on Highway 45.

SUNDAY December 1st 2002
3 Man Tourney

AGD Kids 1st Place $560.00

http://bfgpaintball.com/tourneyfile/3man12012002.htm

2003 International Amateur Open
Tournament Results
5 Player Amateur
1st Place - Tippman Effect
2nd Place - Ground Fire
3rd Place - Aruba Madness
4th Place - AGD Kids
http://www.teameffortevents.com/iao/...coring_03.html

Well Skyball and IAO do not affect classification. Some argue that it should but at the time it does nothing. Local tournaments like the ones at BFG listed above also have no affect on their "team" classification. AGD pride and AGD kids are two completely seperate teams.

[trixx75]

If that is the case and it is true, then I have no issues. That is the reason why I asked and did some search on what tournaments they do attend.

But people on here that are complaining about the issue do have some valid point considering that if you were a rookie/novice team and are not aware about what your going against you might not have a chance at all in a tournament.

But like I said I personally don't care, just something I wanted to know for my own peace of mind.

Something to be aware of if others or myself might want to go to a tournament with big prizes.

But in my opinion, if you go to an amateur tournament on a number of occasions you should be classified as stepping up to the amateur division. regardless if it doesn't count or not.

Its almost like saying you are holding a young guns tournament but because your over a certain age we'll twist the rules for you because the other tournments don't count or something to that matter.

[Booya39]

Originally posted by trixx75
And as I recall, CCP tournaments you only get prizes for 1st place, second doesn't get you squat.

Ok, get ready to look stupid...

2nd place got PE nitrogen systems
3rd place got freak barrels

Well you obviously didn't do your homework on the subject before making up lies. I guess that makes everything else you said and your opinions look pretty weak.

[Booya39]

Originally posted by trixx75
Something to be aware of if others or myself might want to go to a tournament with big prizes.

Here's an idea: just don't go to any tournaments where they have prizes... because other teams might be there. And we can alllll see from your posts how much you hate having to actually earn prizes.

Originally posted by trixx75
Its almost like saying you are holding a young guns tournament but because your over a certain age we'll twist the rules for you because the other tournments don't count or something to that matter.

That was just stupid! Age is pretty easy to determine. Classification is a little more difficult. Either way, that was sure a stretch to even consider comparing those 2 matters.

[CoolGSak]

Exactly what "lies" has Trixx made up Booya? He said "as I recall", he did not say that he was sure of CCP's tournament prize distribution method. He may have played in a tourney there years ago where only 1st got prizes.

And I also think his opinions look pretty strong, he has done more research and gotten more links than ANYONE else who has posted on this thread...

[trixx75]

When I referred to 1st place prizes I was speaking from my own experience when I went to a tournament at CCP.

No I wasn't sure what the prizes were other then the Shockers.

And most tournaments at CCP with big prizes I only saw them give out 1st place. If they changed that more power, but if I was the team that won second place I would still be pissed about not getting first place.

The Young Guns was just an exaggerated example.

If you say that the IAO and the Skyball doesn't count as far as classification. Well, fine. But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be playing in the Amateur division if they are placing in such high level of play.

I can understand a team going from Novice to Amateur in the middle of the season. I can understand a Novice going to Amateur then back to Novice because they were not ready for Amateur.

But I can't understand why a team in such like AGD Kids seem to be in a pretty good position as far as an Amateur team according to some of the track record they have showned from past tournaments to go to a local novice tournament to basically take the prizes away from an actual novice team.

Yeah yeah, you'll say they are still classified as a Novice, but reality is they have the skills to be amateur and they basically went for an easy prize they can take and reap the profits.

And as I stated before, do I care, not really, because I wasn't at that tournament, nor would I ever be. For the fact that I know things like this happen.

Its a reality that there will be sandbagging in any type of sport. its the fact that the people running the tournament should be the ones responsible in trying to prevent it anyway possible. Did CCP know the status of the AGD Kids? I personally don't know so I can't say anything about it.

What is the mentality of the AGD Kids as far as entering the tournament? I don't know and can't tell ya.

Only thing I can say is that just from what I heard, RESEARCHED on their team as far as tournaments they attended was that they played on a number of amateur level tournaments.

When I said Researched I researched the AGD Kids on what tournaments they attended, and that was a 2 mins search on Yahoo. I'm search if I really cared I would actually do a full research and possibly gone to the CCP site to find out about the prizes.

But again, this is just my opinion. AGD Kids won the tournament, nothing much to say about that. Am I right or what?

Case closed, unless you guys want to still vent about it.

[Booya39]

I just think its easy to go online and bash a field who doesn't have someone monitoring forums who gets to see how whiny people are. If you really have a conern, call George 708.756.1166. I'm sure he'd be more than willing to listen and attempt to change things.

But people don't try to fix the problem, they just cry and cry and cry... ONLINE. Grow up, try to fix the problem and if George says "I don't care what you have to say" then you obviously have every right to go online and throw a fit.

AGD did nothing illegal either. If Chester and the rest of the guys play novice again next year I will personally call them p*ssies, to their faces, and we'll probably laugh about it because they'd know that it's the truth but THIS year, they're legal, sorry.

Like I said before, if you feel so strongly then attempt to change the system. Crying us to sleep online doesn't get you far.


and about the IL Captain's Council... You'll need to develop an identical system as Forest ran with the CPSA but make it statewide.

[Scooter/Cootie]

Originally posted by trixx75
Another question I have, is AGD Pride a part of AGD kids?

Pride, Lions, and the Kids are completely seperate teams.

However we do sometimes sub on each other's team if we're short players (ie. Chance and Chester played with us in World Cup and the Kids were on our 10-man roster as well).

The Kids, since they have only 3 permemant members, often play with the Lions in events larger than 3-man. Hence the reason why you often see Chance and Chester playing with the Kids.

[Scooter/Cootie]

And it's nice to see that the thread has once again devolved to name calling, flaming, and bashing.

Way to keep it civil guys.

Hopefully one of the mods will close this thread and we can all move on.

[trixx75]

Thats what I'm talking about, I personally don't care because I wasn't even in the tournament so my say is just my opinion nothing else.

I don't know AGD Kids on a personal level or I don't think I have had the chance to play against them.

I wouldn't mind going against a higher calibur teams, hell that is how you get better. But I wouldn't really like playing in the CCP tournaments. From my last few experiences I never liked the reffing.

I almost went to this tournament just to see if anything changed. I just didnt' have the time or the money to do that.

But I just did that search on that team out of curiousity, because I heard the team name but didn't know what they classified themselves in.

But I would think with thier track record, next year they would move up to amateur.

[trixx75]

Originally posted by Scooter/Cootie


Pride, Lions, and the Kids are completely seperate teams.

However we do sometimes sub on each other's team if we're short players (ie. Chance and Chester played with us in World Cup and the Kids were on our 10-man roster as well).

The Kids, since they have only 3 permemant members, often play with the Lions in events larger than 3-man. Hence the reason why you often see Chance and Chester playing with the Kids.

Ok, that explains a few things I was wondering about. I wasn't sure if AGD Pride was the same team or something.

You can tell that I don't go to these forums that much.