Possible Resolution to the 3.2 Problem.

[AGD]

Owners with 3.2,

There have been complaints from some users of the new software that the gun fires multiple times. These guns also have the characteristic that with the air off, you can pull the trigger half way and hear the solenoid ticking full auto. In most cases when you air up the gun it no longer fires multiple times but in a few guns it still gets out a couple shots.

We do not have a programer here since its on the way to Texas and we only have one gun in house with 3.2. This gun does not shoot multiple times with air but does do full auto ticking with air off. I am ASSUMING that they are related problems.

Our electronic test equipment shows that the HES is actually activating for each shot in "air off" full auto. After trying everything I removed the solenoid from the grip but left the wires hooked up... the problem went away. Next I reversed the wires to the solenoid and reinstalled it and the problem was gone.

So AT THIS MOMENT it APPEARS that the engergized solenoid has magnetic polarity. Hooked up one way it activates the HES since the HES is only sensitve to one end of a North South magnet. Hooked up in reverse the HES never sees it. This makes sense from what we are seeing, some guns work fine some don't depending on the luck of the solenoid wires.

I only have one gun and now it works. If any of you are having this problem and are talented with a soldering iron, try reversing the solenoid leads and report back here. I can't go any farther at this point.

Thanks

AGD

Update: I just fixed Mannys gun that was doing the same thing. Looking good now!

[cphilip]

Will do tomorrow. And report back. Interesting theory!

[LudavicoSoldier]

That makes sense...interesting.

[GT]

big EMF activating HES?

[cledford]

Re: Possible Resolution to the 3.2 Problem.

Originally posted by AGD
Owners with 3.2,

There have been complaints from some users of the new software that the gun fires multiple times. These guns also have the characteristic that with the air off, you can pull the trigger half way and hear the solenoid ticking full auto. In most cases when you air up the gun it no longer fires multiple times but in a few guns it still gets out a couple shots.

Mine is having this exact issue. It will still "double-tap" when fired with air and paint - but you have make it. Basically if I pull the trigger to mid travel and hold it there while slowing working it back and forth it'll double for sure. If I fire real slow it'll double once in a while. If I just pull and release It shoots fine. In no-air it will click away (when held at mid-point) until you let go.

I'm hitting the sack soon, hopefully tomorrow I'll get a chance to give it a try.

-Calvin

[BlackVCG]

I just proved it on a Morlock board. More later...

[Bulldog]

I've got this issue on my X, but I have the 2.1 software...

[cphilip]

Random polarization...random problem. I do not know what about 3.2 would show it up but I can see it entirely possible on any emag. The fact it was noted on 3.2 first might just be coincidence. And we have had random reports of them doing it in Emags too. Few but still could be. Same Selenoid and same HES right there next to it.

[ah137]

Tom, I switched the solenoid wires, GONE, Problem fixed!

Good job

Hills

[Miscue]

Originally posted by cphilip
Random polarization...random problem. I do not know what about 3.2 would show it up but I can see it entirely possible on any emag. The fact it was noted on 3.2 first might just be coincidence. And we have had random reports of them doing it in Emags too. Few but still could be. Same Selenoid and same HES right there next to it.

I think it's because the shot buffer, etc... is picking up that problem that didn't show up with older software.

[cphilip]

That would exagerate the effect wouldn't it? So but still there might be some, but some less effect, on any emag. depending on how sensitive the HES was to the effect? And we know they somewhat random too. Nice!

[Miscue]

Originally posted by cphilip
That would exagerate the effect wouldn't it? So but still there might be some, but some less effect, on any emag. depending on how sensitive the HES was to the effect? And we know they somewhat random too. Nice!

Well, I think the older software didn't bother looking at the trigger until the ROF dwell time expired, which exceeds the solenoid dwell time by far. So, the solenoid turns off and stops interfering well before it starts to look at the trigger again.

[Potatoboy]

Jon called me right after you told him about doing two guns.

I did one of the x's at the shop and it works fine!

This looks like it could be the fix.

[pbzmag]

After reading this thread, I decide to try to see if I could get my X to go full-auto. Right now I have ver 2.4. Well, it did go full auto when I slowly pulled the trigger and held it at the spot it starts to go full-auto. This is without air. I would try it with air but I used up my scuba when I was tweaking my trigger. The spot is small but it's there. If I fully pulled my trigger back, it would only fire one. Version 3.2 may just be amplifying that problem. But I really don't know. I will try switching the solinoid wires and try it out.

[Tunaman]

Just did Icoms' Emag to 3.2. Full auto. Switched solenoid wires...gone. Kudo's TK...