ULE-Sydarm?!??

[ShaftyMcGee]

Just a little idea i thought would kick some major tail.
heres a crappy photoshop hack job i did.


this is just a quick mock up, i was thinking someone could mill a clip attachment that screws into the Angel threads of a ULE body and then some sort of 12-gram changer that sits on the side of the body or on top like the the regular Sydarm. seems like it would be pretty easy to me, only thing im not sure on is how to connect the 12gram changer to the valve so it airs up but doesn't have ugly air lines. oh and of course the rail would be milled out too
comments?
ideas?
id love it if AGD or even some dealer made these! or even just a kit so you can turn your set up into one!

[Sir_Brass]

You'd have to have a specially made ULE with a built-in barrel and such. that way you wouldn't have to have a magazine adapter, it'd just be part of the body itself. Just use ULE technology to create a new sydarm, simple as that. And of course you wouldn't use the RT valves, you'd use a classid valve with L10, so that you wouldn't have to worry about CO2 as much. Just make part of the quick changer an x-chamber so that the CO2 has room to expand. The quick changer would be welded to the side of the body, and would be twice as long as a normal quick changer.

Now, if you want to screw the 12 gram in at the rear, then hardline the quickchanger output to the valve and simply have a QD on either end of the hardline for easy removal.

[ShaftyMcGee]

why would you need the body and barrel to be one piece? doesn't make sense to me

[GT]

seems easy to me that someone could make a spring loaded feedtube that would only attach with angel threads.

[ShaftyMcGee]

well classicmagger contacted me on aim and tipped me off on this

its not spring feed but it would get the job done

link

[cphilip]

As already aluded too the issue is the charge chamber. On a Sydarm its the back part of the spring loaded ball chamber that the 12 gram goes into. Its a sealed passage down the the sydarm valve. Its not just a place for the balls. Its the air charge chamber too. And then that is a special valve too. The only other valves out there do feed in from the side. Nothing out there for feeding the normal valves but some kind of line to them. But as with anything... anything can be acomplished in some fashion. Might not be exactly a Sydarm done in Aluminum but still. A pistol none the less.

[Meph]

We've already been talking about this for a while in the Scenario forum.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112837

[ShaftyMcGee]

look like that thread is about where we are, thinking on how to do the 12gram adapter, personally i think the coolest idea would be to some how put it in the grip frame. ClassicMagger suggested doc's reverse 15 degree asa which we could then put a quick changer on

[Sir_Brass]

If you widened out part of the 45 frame where NOTHING goes one, and put a QC chamber with piercing screw, and hardline up and out the back of the grip (thus avoiding all the mechanical workings) and up to the AIR valve, then you'd have your grip-mounted 12gram chamber.

[Meph]

Oh it's quite possible to have it mounted in the grip frame, not that hard to design either.

Only with that I'm sure it'd cost more to make a whole new grip frame than just a horizontal ASA adapter.

But hey it's always open for comment. But rather than mounting the hardline around the back then 90* angle back around again. Just have it come out thru the right top side of the grip frame and straight up to the valve 1/8" port.

[Sir_Brass]

yeah, that's a good idea. Also, a spring loaded feed tube is best, so if we can take that stock class tube design and make it spring loaded, then we'd be set. Thing is, for a good pistol, you'd need a more compact body, short and shrouded, barrel, etc. maybe if it was based on the minimag frame . . .

[ShaftyMcGee]

a 12 gram in the frame is #1 on the possible 12 gram postions to keep it pistol like in my opinion.
heres a quick drawing in paint of ClassicMaggers Idea



the short body i understand to make the marker compact, but why would you need a shrouded barrel? and a minimag body would put us back at square one, its stainless steel and doesn't have angel threads.

[Sir_Brass]

base it off of the minimag body, that's what I mean. make it ule, but minimag-based, but with cocker threading and instead of just having angel feed tube threads, go on and have the spring-loaded magazine adapter milled into the body.

[Meph]

You can have it pistol-like while not having it in grip frame.

Quick example


Look at the Zeus, PT-Extreme, PGP, what have you. Those are all 3 tubes. One on top of another.

[Sir_Brass]

that looks excellent, except that that quick changer HAS to go elsewhere. It would look and probably have a MUCH better feel if it was in the gripframe.