Cheater Boards (How to Stop Them)

[Muzikman]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


Sorry,but it's NEVER going to happen that way.It's way to time consuming and to costly over all.Look at the chaos right before a big Tourny,everyone getting chrono'd last minute tweaks and confusion.Could you imaging unscrewing grip panels,swapping chips,software failures and debugging.And then what,either having to track down all the chips as they come off the field and getting them to the next group ,undamaged and intact.
And if you don't install them just prior to going on the field,your back in the same boat of counterfit chips and altered software,cause you know someone will get out with one of the chips in their pocket and then your done.
Not to mention,no more testing your gun before the game with any real reliability,cause you'll never now what the "official" software is going to do till it's to late.

Just no way,never going to happen like that.

Jay.

Umm...the chips are yours to keep after the event. Do what you want with them. A PIC costs what, $5? The only thing I can see is the need for maybe windowed grips or something to make sure the person is using the designated chip.

Again, there is no difference between this and what happens/happened at large R/C events.

[fallout11]

Re: Re: Just limit the ammo

Originally posted by Muzikman


Seeing as most of your events make their money off paint, there is no way this will happen.

Maybe not economically advantageous, but it is do-able, even currently.
I've seen it done on a small scale in the past.

Something will eventually have to give, or the tourney circuit will continue it's sad ride on to self-destruction.
It's well on it's way already.....

[Muzikman]

All I am saying is that limiting paint is not the answer. Paint mfgs and event promoters would NEVER do it. Yes in small scale it would work, but when you tell a team that you are only allowed x number of balls on the field per team, you would be taking money right out of your pocket. Unless you made the limit so high, that it would have no affect on the problem you are trying to solve.

If you are going this drastic, you might as well just get rid of electros and go all manual.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by Muzikman



Umm...the chips are yours to keep after the event. Do what you want with them. A PIC costs what, $5? The only thing I can see is the need for maybe windowed grips or something to make sure the person is using the designated chip.

Again, there is no difference between this and what happens/happened at large R/C events.

How does that correct cheaters?

You don't think that once those chips are out someone won't just rewrite it or copy it's appearance,and then show up with that chip at the field?

Jay.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
Sorry, but it's NEVER going to happen that way.It's way to time consuming and to costly over all.

Costly, not really. Programmers can be scratch built, with prior notice of what guns were going to be on the field, and the settings required/desired, the chips could be ready long before the tourney.

Look at the chaos right before a big Tourny, everyone getting chrono'd last minute tweaks and confusion.Could you imaging unscrewing grip panels, swapping chips, software failures and debugging.And then what, either having to track down all the chips as they come off the field and getting them to the next group, undamaged and intact.

And if you don't install them just prior to going on the field, your back in the same boat of counterfit chips and altered software, cause you know someone will get out with one of the chips in their pocket and then your done.

Not to mention, no more testing your gun before the game with any real reliability, cause you'll never now what the "official" software is going to do till it's to late.

Well, if the official software is based on the consumer software but not programmable, you can test it all you want before the game.
If the official chips use a generic software, just buy a chip with the generic software for a few bucks to test the adjustable settings.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
How does that correct cheaters?

You don't think that once those chips are out someone won't just rewrite it or copy it's appearance,and then show up with that chip at the field?

You'd get a new chip every tournament. Each time a good chip was installed, a tamperproof seal would also be installed.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

and of course a Mech user steps up to solve the cheater board problem

Before each turney a ref walks to each gun and passes a very large elctromagnet over it, if youre marker still works afterwards...

play on!!

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


You'd get a new chip every tournament. Each time a good chip was installed, a tamperproof seal would also be installed.

OK,OK I give up. .....But it's still not going to happen.

Whatever the arguement,I'll bet $1000 against anyone that it will never happen in our paintball lifetimes.

Not until we are so advanced technologically as a society that the capability to have ALL guns completely downloaded w/ thier software on the fly,through wireless transmission while your running on to the field using some Star Trek like programming device.

Jay.

[thei3ug]

i've got one... each board must be flashed and physicall "sealed" by a manufacturer before the event begins.

booyah.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by thei3ug
i've got one... each board must be flashed and physicall "sealed" by a manufacturer before the event begins.
booyah.

But the manufacturers are also the sponsors of teams. At the introduction of electros SP made the Turbo mode work for their factory team during tournamants even when the tournament lock was on.

[rdb123]

Originally posted by AGD
Formula one with their millions of dollars couldn't stop cheater software for race cars, I doubt we will be able to do better.

AGD

OT, but how would you cheat with a race car???

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by rdb123
OT, but how would you cheat with a race car???

Well, for example, in formula 1 you are nolonger allowed to have traction control. So they banned the use of wheel speed sensors.

However, it was rumoured that Shumi had engine control software that was implementing traction control based on engine rpm and acceleration.

When the allegations came to light, the Ferrari technician disappeared for a while and (surprise, surprise) Shumi started producing smoke with his rear tires. The technician came back when the storm passed, and (surprise, surprise) Shumi didn't seem to smoke the tires quite as much.

[Miscue]

There is no practical method to stop electronic cheating short of removing the circuit board. The ideas that have been proposed, are impractical and/or technically ineffective because they can be circumvented.

My best suggestion is a ROF cap at 13bps or so, I think this would solve a lot of things. But, this will never happen.

[SlartyBartFast]

Given an effective test of one pull one shot, I think an ROF cap is pointless.

Need a computer operated solenoid/ram to fire the markers over the chrono.
Without paint you could fire a string of varying speeds and compare to the sound signature for number of shots fired.
With paint, you could fire a rapid burst to verify speeds in game situations.

[lord1234]

cheater boards should be stopped. yes the "white board" with an undisclosed players name on it...