real 34 CPS video link, not Froth video

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by RRfireblade

I'm still not sure why the free cycling of a marker is so exciting,it's pretty much common knowledge that almost all paint guns will free cycle at somewhere between 30-50 cps.

The mag is tweaked and crap with runaway mode,

Nope, just missing 1 o-ring,any R/T valve could do it just as easily.

Unless somehow, his room contains the ability to reverberate the sound at the same volume it was originally (which I think is impossible), then it should be accurate.

That's not the problem, the problem is when the audio quality is so "cluttered" you can not distinquish the shot signature from everthing else in order to read it.

Jay.

[FreshmanBob]

who says its common knowledge? I've never heard that. Show me a video or sound analysis of an ir3, LCD angel, bushmaster, spyder, defiant, LCD trix, WGP stock autococker and omen doing somewhere between 30 and 40 bps and I'll beleive you.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by FreshmanBob
who says its common knowledge? I've never heard that. Show me a video or sound analysis of an ir3, LCD angel, bushmaster, spyder, defiant, LCD trix, WGP stock autococker and omen doing somewhere between 30 and 40 bps and I'll beleive you.

There out there,even a spyder type blowback can cycle in the upper 30's,Angels have been shown to,Mags obvously,cockers etc, it's just not that big a deal.

Keep in mind,we're talking about free cycling,not the ability to fire a paintball with any amount of consistancy.

Jay.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by RRfireblade





Nope, just missing 1 o-ring,any R/T valve could do it just as easily.




That's not the problem, the problem is when the audio quality is so "cluttered" you can not distinquish the shot signature from everthing else in order to read it.

Jay.

RRfireblade is correct!

Good post...

[FreshmanBob]

I've never actually seen an analyized sound file of a spyder to show that its in the 30s when going full auto, and angels have been shown too? I haven't seen a video have you?. If you actually have then send me a link. The ir3 and LCD boards aren't even programmed for that high, and the speed is advertised as 30 cps for a max and I've never even seen a video of that.

Only heavily modified and tweeked turtle cockers or other similar designs can cycle in the upper 30s and 40s, i said WGP. Any other e-cocker maxs out in the 20s.



I know we're talking about cycling and not firing a ball, there really aren't that many markers that can come close to 40 cps. All that I can think of are a viking with the LPR raised and a turtle cocker.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by FreshmanBob
I've never actually seen an analyized sound file of a spyder to show that its in the 30s when going full auto, and angels have been shown too? I haven't seen a video have you?.

Yeah,I've analyzed quite few,not only videos but markers in person(both owned and otherwise).I don't have any links though and you don't have to believe me,it's not that important.

If you check around a little,you'll find it's true.Search for Nerobro,I think he had posted some spyder/dragun data showing 30-40 cps.Osiris cockers are in the 40's,Imps,Angels and Timmys are all basically the same function and will go 30+.I think the cycle time on a typical blowback is like 20-25ms,you can do the math from there.

The reason you don't see it a lot,is most people don't know how to make them go that fast beside pulling the trigger.Could you have made a Mag go that fast if you didn't know how it was done? Didn't think so.

Sorry,I just took all my meds for the night and don't have the energy to go on a fact finding mission tonite.If you don't believe me,that's ok. I'll get over it.

Jay.

Maybe some one else will chime in on the subject.

[coolcatpete]

I dont know if this is stupid comment or not, but we will never know if these are full cycles that will all fire the ball (if there was a ball in there) the same, at the same velocity, so we can not really judge something until you see a consistant stream of paint comeing from this marker. I am not sure if this makes sence. I know when a marker is running out of air it will it cycle all the way, so that means that there is not enough air going through the whole system, how do we know that the right amount of air is flowing through all of these system that we see at 36cps.
How? Pete



Ps. sorry if that did not make sence but it did in my head so don't make fun of me.

[Barfly]

this is just my thought, but since it is possible for the viking to cycle faster than 34 cps, would imply that it is making full cycles.

[Branchvillian]

I know how to do it, but I am not sure if I can do it on an E-mag. I would assume so, on mechanical mode. Someone wanna clear this up for me?

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by coolcatpete
I dont know if this is stupid comment or not, but we will never know if these are full cycles that will all fire the ball (if there was a ball in there) the same, at the same velocity, so we can not really judge something until you see a consistant stream of paint comeing from this marker.

That's pretty much true.You can make an assumption based on theory,but I'm not sure you could be 100% accurate without a live firing test.

I know how to do it, but I am not sure if I can do it on an E-mag.

Do what exactly?

Jay.

[Branchvillian]

Get it to full auto fire with removing the o-rings.

[Barfly]

which o-rings are you talking about? I am autoretarded

[coolcatpete]

Originally posted by Barfly
this is just my thought, but since it is possible for the viking to cycle faster than 34 cps, would imply that it is making full cycles.

I dont think you understand what I am saying and it is this. How do we know that 34cps are full cycles with out paint and recording the velocity, this can be for any gun even a viking. Notice how AGD advertises x-valve only at 26 cps and not 34cps, my guess for why they did this is because how do they really know about 34cps with out paint.

[danheneise]

note to self: don't keep headphone volume all the way up when about to view a marker video, owwww, my head is still hurting from that.

i still just don't get why people possibly need THAT much speed when one shot gets a person out. but i do love being over shot by a 20+ bps marker

[Barfly]

well lets say that it takes a marker to make one complete cycle t=.02 sec, well CPS=(1sec)/t, so 1/.02=50. Thus you will get at the max 50 full CPS, that is the gyst. Now there could be other factors that come into play at that rof, but I aint been born with smarts, so I just make some crap up and hopefully you beleive it.