real 34 CPS video link, not Froth video

[Barfly]

There isn't really a point in haveing a marker that can cycle over 30cps. It is just for bragging rights,.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by coolcatpete


I dont think you understand what I am saying and it is this. How do we know that 34cps are full cycles with out paint and recording the velocity, this can be for any gun even a viking. Notice how AGD advertises x-valve only at 26 cps and not 34cps, my guess for why they did this is because how do they really know about 34cps with out paint.

I can only speak for the Mag at those rates.

AGD has only tested them to 26bps with out shootdown,based on the recharge rate of the regulator(a known value),it may well go beyond that but it has not been physically tested to do so,at least I haven't done so.As far as full cycles,the O-Ring trick to full auto is definitely full cycles.We can tell this because it discharges the dump chamber(full forward travel) and when the trigger is released,the sear catches the bolt(full rearward travel).That is much harder to tell on other mechanisms due to thier design.WAS claims to use eyes placed at both extremes of the bolt travel to test this but who knows if he really does that.You could possible record and time a single cycle and then compare those times to the cycle times at the higher ROF but that would take some really precise recording although I guess it could be done.

As many have stated before(incuding me),it really means nothing in the real world of paintball but as far as marker bragging goes,what else do you have?

Anyway,whatever.

Jay.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by FreshmanBob


It's not just a spring, its an entire system. It means more than just cycling that fast, but that the LPR can recharge quickly enough, the ram can move fast enough and the valve can recharge quickly enough, as well as the noids being able to do that.

It's more like a car being able to go 120 mph when the most you'll be using it for is probably around 75 or 80.

You read it too deep... Ok, then how about a guitar string vibrating at 35Hz?

[FreshmanBob]

It's a little cooler than that =p

[danheneise]

what is this little o-ring trick you guys speak of?

[DK1]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
That's not the problem, the problem is when the audio quality is so "cluttered" you can not distinquish the shot signature from everthing else in order to read it.

Jay.

I dunno, maybe it's just me but I can pick out the shots just fine with goldwave. I generally slow down the sound to a point where I can count with it, and mark off a full second. That way I have a resonably enough accurate guess at how fast it's going. Do that to three or four spots, and I'd say that you can get pretty accurate, even with all the clutter.

The initial shockwave of the firing blast will make a much more distinct sound than what you can tell from just visually inspecting the peaks.

DK1

[RRfireblade]

I was speaking generally as to why audio is sometimes hard to "read". There was another related thread prior to this where that was a relevant statement.

Jay.

[coolcatpete]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


I can only speak for the Mag at those rates.

AGD has only tested them to 26bps with out shootdown,based on the recharge rate of the regulator(a known value),it may well go beyond that but it has not been physically tested to do so,at least I haven't done so.As far as full cycles,the O-Ring trick to full auto is definitely full cycles.We can tell this because it discharges the dump chamber(full forward travel) and when the trigger is released,the sear catches the bolt(full rearward travel).That is much harder to tell on other mechanisms due to thier design.WAS claims to use eyes placed at both extremes of the bolt travel to test this but who knows if he really does that.You could possible record and time a single cycle and then compare those times to the cycle times at the higher ROF but that would take some really precise recording although I guess it could be done.

As many have stated before(incuding me),it really means nothing in the real world of paintball but as far as marker bragging goes,what else do you have?

Jay.

Good argument I will side with you, I know that mags could go this fast but spyders too, what happened to mags being the fastest regarging valve.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by coolcatpete



Good argument I will side with you, I know that mags could go this fast but spyders too, what happened to mags being the fastest regarging valve.

They ARE the fastest "proven" recharging valve.Cycling the mechanism and have the Reg recharge and supply the identical pressure and volume of air for each shot fired are 2 completely different things.

I wouldn't dare assume that even the Mags Reg can recharge at it's max CPS,but it has one of the most efficient recharging rates/designs there are so I would "assume" it would top out higher than most other designs.The real problem there is everyone "assumes" everything at those rates because no one has tested anything other than "cycles" and that can be subject to the "testers" methods and assumptions as well.

That's why I really don't find these things to be that big of a deal.
FYI,did you know the current Firebird T/A body was wind tunnel tested to show it would be completely stable and capable of speeds exceeding 300mph? (true and equally pointless)

Jay.

[MagOwnerzRule]

Viking Owns... thats all that needs to be said, he posted about a viking, and you guys feel like the automag is threatend by the viking so you post to take up for the thing, geesh, i USED to think u guys were open minded, now i know, yall are all on the same boat

viking = gun of 2004

[RRfireblade]

You didn't actually read anything,did you.

[MagOwnerzRule]

i had to let out anger, its frustrating buying a 1000 dollar gun then people say it cant do what it is proven to do. like i said in an earlier post. one o-ring out isnt tourny leagal on the RT mags, sure it will cycle with no shoot down, but not tourny legal like the viking is

[RRfireblade]

I understand that,but I for one,never said it can't cycle that fast.I simply said it's not a big deal as many other guns can as well.

The O-ring trick was done simply as a demonstration of that fact.No gun,viking or otherwise is "legal" if can be bounced to 34 cps.

No one is trashing Vikings,they are probably the most respected gun here on AO next to the Mag which says alot about the open mindedness of the majority of its members.Keep in mind,this is the internet,that means any butt wipe can show thier massive stupidity with just a few key strokes,don't sweat it.

Jay.

FYI,I had a Viking WAY before it was cool to have one.

[MagOwnerzRule]

alright, cool, misunderstanding on my part, sorry

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by MagOwnerzRule
i had to let out anger, its frustrating buying a 1000 dollar gun then people say it cant do what it is proven to do. like i said in an earlier post. one o-ring out isnt tourny leagal on the RT mags, sure it will cycle with no shoot down, but not tourny legal like the viking is

Dude, you need thicker skin. Be proud of what you have. No need to "vent" and show how insecure you are about your purchase decision. If you're willing to blow a grr on a gun, then I would hope you would be confident in what you were getting yourself into.

If you read the whole thread, no one is bringing down the Viking. The only concerns here are the integrity of the "proof" and their significance, or lack thereof.

You could easily replace the word "viking" with any other gun, and this thread would be the same. So no, AO is not picking on your gun. We are just curious about lofty unproven claims, or "proof" which is at best questionable.

the viking is a good gun, no playa hatin' here...