Smart Parts Patent Will Destroy Paintball! - Read!

[icegod]

also the guy above me that posted as i was posting my previous one

[Recon by Fire]

Originally posted by thecavemankevin

I pulled these off of another forum, originally posted by paintbalr1331:

3:2002cv01557 (Oregon) 11/15/2002
SMART PARTS INC vs. WDP LTD

2:1997cv01425 (Pennsylvania) 08/05/1997
SMART PARTS, INC vs. WDP, LTD.

2:1995cv00839 (Pennsylvania) 05/31/1995
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. BARRELS OF AMERICA

6:2000mc00102 (Florida) 10/12/2000
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGN

2:2000cv01482 (Pennsylvania) 08/01/2000
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGN

3:2002cv00843 (Oregon) 06/21/2002
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. USA AIR CONCEPTS, INC.

3:2002cv01498 (Oregon) 11/05/2002
SMART PARTS, INC. vs. INDIAN CREEK DESIGNS, INC. [/B]

You mean originally posted by me

And yes, copyright infringement cases involving Sp have been filed for over 8 years now and yet we can still play, wonders never cease!

[jinxed]

Originally posted by Recon by Fire

1/9/03 147 MEMORANDUM ORDER granting in part, denying in part defts'
[117-1] second motion for Summary Judgment. The motion is
granted as to non-infringement of Claim 3 of the '707
patent and denied as to non-infringement of Claim 1 of the
'843 patent ; Defts' [132-1] motion for Claims Construction
is granted and that the matter is hereby referred to Mag.
Judge Sensenich for a Markman hearing to determine whether
the language of Claim 1 of the '843 patent supports the
construction of a single, four-way solenoid valve as an
embodiment of the element requiring first and second
electrically operated pneumatic flow distribution
mechanisms ; The Markman hearing is to determine
construction of Claim 15 of the '133 patent, as per Judge
Cindrich's Order entered 10/2/01 directing remand for
construction of the term "electrically controlling the
filing of" in Claim 15 of the '133 patent ; the [144-1]
amended report and recommendation is adopted as the opinion
of the court. ( signed by Judge Terrence F. McVerry on
1/9/03 ) CM all parties of record. (tt)
[Entry date 01/10/03]

THis is interesting, although 5 months old.
The "707", "843", and "133" refer to the Shocker patent, and its many updates.
But what does it mean in english? The shocker uses 2 noids, but later "updates" were changed to cover "1 or more" patents. I think the judge is complaing about this?

grrr... I hate "lawyer speak".

Nick

[Recon by Fire]

It means exactly what others have said "Smart Parts broad patent". The terminology used is too broad and they are arguing over exactly what everything is described as.

[Faix]

Heres how i feel (i made this so plz dont try to pass it off as ur own)

[clanger]

Re: Re: Be smarter than smart parts

Originally posted by Ov3rmind

You've never played a tournament.... period. The ROF is extremely useful in certain situations, and it also allows for the use of ACEs and a few other neato inventions. You also did an excellent job making yourself sound ignorant on top of avoiding the swear filter.

Whats ignorant is calling smart parts nazi's.

[Jack & Coke]

http://www.icedillusions.com/Anti-SP.html

[manike]

Originally posted by shartley
it has not even been officially verified what THIS set of suits are even covering.

Here you go Sam...

Originally posted by dnafwtbtitft
From the court records...

__________________________________________________ _
1/9/03 147 MEMORANDUM ORDER granting in part, denying in part defts'
[117-1] second motion for Summary Judgment. The motion is
granted as to non-infringement of Claim 3 of the '707
patent and denied as to non-infringement of Claim 1 of the
'843 patent ; Defts' [132-1] motion for Claims Construction
is granted and that the matter is hereby referred to Mag.
Judge Sensenich for a Markman hearing to determine whether
the language of Claim 1 of the '843 patent supports the
construction of a single, four-way solenoid valve as an
embodiment of the element requiring first and second
electrically operated pneumatic flow distribution
mechanisms ; The Markman hearing is to determine
construction of Claim 15 of the '133 patent, as per Judge
Cindrich's Order entered 10/2/01 directing remand for
construction of the term "electrically controlling the
filing of" in Claim 15 of the '133 patent ; the [144-1]
amended report and recommendation is adopted as the opinion
of the court. ( signed by Judge Terrence F. McVerry on
1/9/03 ) CM all parties of record. (tt)
[Entry date 01/10/03]
__________________________________________________

I don't see anything relating to a gun in development from those patents that wouldn't relate to the current ICD products...

So now we know what it's all about!

EDIT: Oops I quoted from last page without realising how many other people were also pointing out to you what it's about.

[Ov3rmind]

Re: Re: Re: Be smarter than smart parts

Originally posted by clanger



Whats ignorant is calling smart parts nazi's.

It's not meant to be taken literally as his statement about electros was.

[shartley]

Originally posted by manike


Here you go Sam...



So now we know what it's all about!

EDIT: Oops I quoted from last page without realising how many other people were also pointing out to you what it's about.

[manike]

Sam it makes it clear which claims they are trying to enforce.

Now if you read those claims you can see what they are saying is their IP, and what they think that can claim in a court of law. If you have a bit of a clue about paintball products you can see how it relates to other products and companies.

If you can't read for yourself and use your own brains to see what is going on, I don't see what anyone else can do to help you?

Feel free to continue sticking your head in the sand.

You know if your horse goes lame sometimes you can't do anything but shoot it.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Well...i think is just the lamest thing i've ever heard in my life...no..SP can't be like Tom and Bud and just let things go unpatented for the good of the sport (or at least not be jerks about the patents)..no..they gotta try to screw the sport right in the ground...and no...i don't care about the legality of their patents...their is a huge difference between what is legal and what is "right"...is it legal for them to do this..yeah..they've set the precedent...is it right...no...and no one with threats is ever going to change my mind..sorry...

[shartley]

Originally posted by manike
Sam it makes it clear which claims they are trying to enforce.

Now if you read those claims you can see what they are saying is their IP, and what they think that can claim in a court of law. If you have a bit of a clue about paintball products you can see how it relates to other products and companies.

If you can't read for yourself and use your own brains to see what is going on, I don't see what anyone else can do to help you?

Feel free to continue sticking your head in the sand.

You know if your horse goes lame sometimes you can't do anything but shoot it.

[manike]

Originally posted by shartley
Trying to make me look like I am somehow ignorant, or foolish

I don't try to do that.

Originally posted by shartley

Thank you. So you do at least see the point here. Excellent paragraph I agree with it completely.

Originally posted by shartley

Nope I agree with you in general.

I also think consumers have little or no say in what is going to happen now in that this is in the hands of the courts and lawyers and what their actions are, is the most important thing. But you know what? We (as in those of us on the net) have already made a difference in a small way (possibly a VERY big way, but who is to know yet). Some information and prior art that has turned up during these threads and discussions was previously unknown to some parties involved in this. They know about it now and every little helps.

I don't think a boycott will ultimately achieve much here other than letting SP know that some consumers do not like what actions they are taking.

I do think that people should be made aware of what is happening and what might happen. I don't think someone should be preaching that it won't happen just because they don't think it will. I think people should know all the possible outcomes.

The power of the net and communication and discussion is not to be taken lightly. We can make a difference, by finding out a little bit more info, or by making more people aware. It all helps. 2 heads are better than one when it comes to searching for information. 1 thousand heads or more are even better... and that's how many people have so far signed the petition. I expect there are many more reading all this that haven't signed but they may still have known a little bit of useful information.

I encourage those that are still looking for earlier web posts about electro's or earlier prior art in other fields to continue. Who knows, someone may find the smoking gun (electro? ) that solves the case.

[Scary]

it aint gonna destroy paintball if anything its gonna be a throwback to mech .................... so ...............lets all take it easy....... I LOVE MY ANGEL ALOT...........best marker ive ever had ............. so maybe if ur thinking about getting that electro then get it quick .......... none the less I hope smart parts would get being total ****heads ................