AKA Legal Defense Fund Pledge Drive!

[chizle97]

ill give 30 bucks in a M.O. I just need an adress

DAMN THE MAN! SAVE THE EMPIRE!!!!

[pbguy888]

"I spoke with Larry and he confirmed that any and all money donated will only be used in defense of the lawsuit by Smart Parts.
Donations can be made via paypal to [email protected]

We are still setting up the Trust Fund Account for those who want to mail a check. As soon as that is completed I will post the details.
Thanks everyone,"
Dan

[spantol]

I've sent my donation. Anyone else done it yet?

[adam shannon]

to all the big talkers. put your money where your keyboard is.


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[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by thei3ug
as much as i admire AKA, and hoosier pride and all.... I have to question a charity for a corporate body.

I couldn't agree more. I like AKA and think the people there are good, but in no way do I feel comfortable giving to a COMPANY.

sure, they money may only be used for the legal defense, but will the money be placed on TOP OF money they would have already been spent? For example. AKA needs to spend, at minimum $10,000 to fight SP. We donate $2,000 total. Will AKA spend $12,000 or will the spend $10,000 taking $2000 from their contribution and investing that into other ventures? Will they? Where are my assurances?

There arn't any! Ding Ding! Reason Number one I won't give to a FOR-PROFIT comapny

[spantol]

Kevmaster,

I don't really see the problem there. Ultimately, AKA is going to be saddled (unfairly, IMHO) with a bill for x thousands of dollars for their legal defense. There is no "at minimum;" it'll cost what it'll cost. Through donations, we attempt to defray some of that cost, so that their other ventures might be salvaged.

[adam shannon]

apathy and selfishness is what SP is counting on. you have a good poaint kev...and since most people think the way you do i guess sp is going to annex the sudaten land of pb, because everybody thinks that when they said they wanted to control all of pb you obviously didnt think they meant you too.

[ProX9]

Originally posted by Kevmaster


I couldn't agree more. I like AKA and think the people there are good, but in no way do I feel comfortable giving to a COMPANY.

sure, they money may only be used for the legal defense, but will the money be placed on TOP OF money they would have already been spent? For example. AKA needs to spend, at minimum $10,000 to fight SP. We donate $2,000 total. Will AKA spend $12,000 or will the spend $10,000 taking $2000 from their contribution and investing that into other ventures? Will they? Where are my assurances?

There arn't any! Ding Ding! Reason Number one I won't give to a FOR-PROFIT comapny

If your not going to donate dont post reasons why you shouldnt donate to aka. I really dont think AKA is going to cheap out on the law suit so they can spend 2 grand on other ventures, especially since they are going against a huge company.

[thei3ug]

i'm sorry, but My family owns a small business much like the Alexanders. We've ALL been hit by hard times, including a supplier that stole 80,000 dollars worth of material because the Judge had trouble understanding ASTM standards and the terms "refund" and "put it on a truck and never came back."

Times are hard, and it's a family business, but it's FOR PROFIT.

You're making donations for a luxury item. How many of you would donate to any other charity, or MATCH the money you gave to AKA for the red cross, or another organization?

AKA is a For Profit company. How many of you would donate money to the phone company that gives you your favorite rates because they were monopolized out of a region?

for one thing, I keep my donations private, for reasons of my own. But You are DONATING MONEY so that a company can keep more of its profits, and spend less of them on legal fees. You're helping them out, for sure. But if they win, they don't keep the business... they made out.

I say keep track of every "donation" that comes in, and have AKA make a pledge to pay them back within a year or two of the lawsuit. That is the only way I can see a FOR PROFIT organization taking money from its customers for no service and being fair about it.

After all... if this is about keeping an industry alive, you all missed the boat when a hundred thousand steelworkers lost their jobs and you were out buying your honda civics and volkswagons. I don't see a huge moral highground here. I see a lot of people who are supporting their favorite toy company.

[shartley]

Originally posted by thei3ug
i'm sorry, but My family owns a small business much like the Alexanders. We've ALL been hit by hard times, including a supplier that stole 80,000 dollars worth of material because the Judge had trouble understanding ASTM standards and the terms "refund" and "put it on a truck and never came back."

Times are hard, and it's a family business, but it's FOR PROFIT.

You're making donations for a luxury item. How many of you would donate to any other charity, or MATCH the money you gave to AKA for the red cross, or another organization?

AKA is a For Profit company. How many of you would donate money to the phone company that gives you your favorite rates because they were monopolized out of a region?

for one thing, I keep my donations private, for reasons of my own. But You are DONATING MONEY so that a company can keep more of its profits, and spend less of them on legal fees. You're helping them out, for sure. But if they win, they don't keep the business... they made out.

I say keep track of every "donation" that comes in, and have AKA make a pledge to pay them back within a year or two of the lawsuit. That is the only way I can see a FOR PROFIT organization taking money from its customers for no service and being fair about it.

After all... if this is about keeping an industry alive, you all missed the boat when a hundred thousand steelworkers lost their jobs and you were out buying your honda civics and volkswagons. I don't see a huge moral highground here. I see a lot of people who are supporting their favorite toy company.

Thank you.

[spantol]

If you do not see any moral high ground here, you are not in the intended audience of this thread. And that's perfectly fine; we're all entitled to our own views on this subject. The concerns you have voiced, though, are so contrary to the spirit of this thread that they can hardly be said to be appropriate. Perhaps a new thread, discussing this matter's place in the context of the grand scheme of things is in order--you're more than welcome to start one.

Originally posted by thei3ug
I don't see a huge moral highground here. I see a lot of people who are supporting their favorite toy company.

[Jeb_Hoge]

I have to agree with thei3ug. Support AKA all the way (I do), pool your money into ads in the paintball magazines calling for SP to stop trying to sue their way through the industry, and buy their products, even if it's not a Viking or Excal. But at least ASK the Alexanders if a few thousand bucks, if that, would be welcomed or even necessary to them before cutting them a check that they may not want (for any number of reasons).

[adam shannon]

Originally posted by thei3ug
You're making donations for a luxury item. How many of you would donate to any other charity, or MATCH the money you gave to AKA for the red cross, or another organization?

the red cross is a scam...for all the good theyve done for flood victims etc they lost all credibility with me after 9/11 when they only paid out a small percentage of what they took in for "victims" saying they were banking most of it for later...yet still running ads on tv begging for more $ for the victims of 9/11.

Originally posted by thei3ug

After all... if this is about keeping an industry alive, you all missed the boat when a hundred thousand steelworkers lost their jobs and you were out buying your honda civics and volkswagons. I don't see a huge moral highground here. I see a lot of people who are supporting their favorite toy company.

the american steel industry went belly up cuz they couldnt handle the competition while saddled with unions that only wanted more $ for their workers...cuz more in salary means more in union dues. the unions in cleveland wouldnt budge a bit...and everybody lost their jobs cuz of the unions greed.

do any of you know what the big grocery strike in cali is really about. the stores want their workers to pay $5 a week for their health insurance...they were getting it for free....so for $20 a month they went on strike...and the kicker is union grocery baggers in cali make on average $20 an hour!!! so i feel no pity for them.

were not talking about helping a multi billion dollar company like the phone company, were talking about a small mom and pop...although they make good money the fight is about a crroked company with deep pockets trying to stifle competition thru legal fees...not thru fair buisness or having a better selling product. SP is trying to monopolize PB so their inferior products are the only ones available.

and their patent is a crock.

[shartley]

Originally posted by adam shannon
were not talking about helping a multi billion dollar company like the phone company, were talking about a small mom and pop...although they make good money the fight is about a crroked company with deep pockets trying to stifle competition thru legal fees...not thru fair buisness or having a better selling product. SP is trying to monopolize PB so their inferior products are the only ones available.

and their patent is a crock.

[adam shannon]

Originally posted by shartley

AKA go out of business? How would that help SP?

are you daft man? if the only marker companies in business are SP and everybody paying their street tax to make markers they get a bigger market share for their guns and $ from everybody that pays their extortion.

you cant tell me that they hit the two companies that make markers that are the biggest competition to their impulse. bushmasters and vikings. vikings are all you read about anymore as the new great marker.

their patent is like rubbermaid suing everybody who makes trash cans cuz they were the first to claim ownership on an idea thats been in use for years.