nuaghty dogs making the switch

[Ryknow]

Timmy > cocker

just my 2 cents.. I'm not to big on cockers.. except for a few specific ones, but I would still rathre shoot a timmy.

[Dayspring]

The way a HES sensor works is completely different than the way a microswitch works.

On a microswitch, the computer is not only picking up the full on/off contact of the switch, but is also picking up on the microscopic contacts. If you saw a waveform of that, you'll see a bell curve. The debounce software that WAS uses is supposed to tune that stuff out and only pick up the highest point. What people are doing is using the debounce in the opposite direction, and using the other parts of the bell curve as legit trigger pulls.

The HES doesn't function this way. The sensor either reads as ON or OFF. No in-between. The shotbuffering that AGD is doing stores 1 shot. The reason we were seeing full auto was the magnetic field of the solenoid was triggering the HES and producing a feedback loop.

There's a very large difference between how the AGD shotbuffering/trigger system works and a microswitch/WAS system works.

Originally posted by sneakyhacker420
yeah... you'll be aided with your own WAS board to put out thoes extra balls on him eh?


to tell you the truth, i've heard nothing but whining about WAS board lateley... i truly don't see how a WAS board is a cheater board? why aren't we calling the 3.2 e-mag software a cheater board? they both have shot buffering... they both have debounce... and all that good stuff


whats the difference... the marker that its put on

i love my timmy, and i'll take it over a cocker any day

its lighter, faster, simpler, more reliable, plus more

i dont care how many people call it a spyder, its MY spyder, and it will whoop your ***, so please shut up :o

[teamkamakazee]

screw this arguement on wich gun is better if you were in the naughty dogs shoes you would go where the money is and any one who says they wouldnt is a dirty lier. even if a cocker is better than a timmy (im not saying they are) none of you would care about that if you were the naughty dogs the only thing you would care about is wich company is paying you more. it doesnt matter what gun you shoot if your a pro then obviously you have the skill to beat any of us with a spyder or a tippman. done and done

[JT2002]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Loyalty is dead.

Whatever happened to going to the dance with the one that brought you.

WGP and WDP helped make the Dogs and Dynasty. Now they are being cast aside.

I guess paintball is becoming like more of the mainstream sports after all!

That last sentence...
the said thing is, that is what it seems most of us wanted for the sport isnt it? heh theres a good and bad to everything i guess

[FreshmanBob]

Originally posted by Dayspring


There's a very large difference between how the AGD shotbuffering/trigger system works and a microswitch/WAS system works.

This is true, but WAS boards are only cheater boards if the debounce is dialed low enough. If that constitutes a cheater board than an RT must be a cheater gun, because if the pressure is dialed in right or the on/off pin is shaved slightly it too goes full auto.

[Dayspring]

But that requires some sort of tool on the field to do (input pressure). Judges usually notice you doing stuff like that.

De-Bounce is a menu driven, tool-less function. (AFAIK)

[Fixion]

Originally posted by Ryknow
Timmy > cocker

just my 2 cents.. I'm not to big on cockers.. except for a few specific ones, but I would still rathre shoot a timmy.

Timmy > Cocker
True.

Timmy < Ebladed Cocker
IMHO also true.

[JT2002]

Originally posted by Fixion



Timmy < Ebladed Cocker
IMHO also true.

well now, yeah its true if your talking about bouncy cheating triggerness

[AcemanPB]

I don't get people saying one gun is faster than the other. It is proven that both an E-blade'd cocker and a WAS'd timmy will shoot over 20bps (or faster than you could ever pull). So how is one faster then the other? Switch bounce perhaps? I've shot plenty of WAS'd Timmys and all of them have had mad switch bounce, I know alot of people like to think they can pull the trigger that fast but it's all BS.

I know you can combat switch bounce by bumping up the debounce but how many people do you know actually do this?

[DiRTyBuNNy]

so..has anyone gotten proof that the ND's are leaving Worr...because I noticed PBGear dropped the price of the ND Orracle almost 300 bucks..

[JT2002]

well i think thats a sign to try and sell em b4 noone wants a gun of a team that doesnt use tehm any more. but. have any of you seen the new empire and 2k4 timmys? no bounce at all. or if your special. an extremely small # of bounce. you see with the new boards, they tell the real truth on how fast ru shooting unlike WAS. so truthful that noone was getting over 16 at first, and thought the board was capped lmao. dont beleive me? go to the timmy forums on pbnation. im gettin my empire today so :P

[Meph]

Re: Re: nuaghty dogs making the switch

Originally posted by Xyxyll

BTW, Timmys are still a lot different from Spyders. Timmy's work completely different from Spyders.

Yeah, COMPLETELY different!

[fire1811]

who cares what gun supposidly is better if you like the damn thing then shoot in.

gun debates are so pointless no one ever wins, there's is always better

[FreshmanBob]

Originally posted by Dayspring
But that requires some sort of tool on the field to do (input pressure). Judges usually notice you doing stuff like that.

De-Bounce is a menu driven, tool-less function. (AFAIK)

True, but I think its a lot easier and faster to just take an allen wrench out of your pocket and turn your input pressure up than it is to sit there and reprogram the board. I've never been searched, nor seen anyone get searched.

[Fixion]

Originally posted by JT2002

well now, yeah its true if your talking about bouncy cheating triggerness

You can't really bounce an eblade trigger. It doesn't use a HES to my knowledge, it uses an optical switch.