Differences between an Intimidator and a Spyder

[JKW]

Sorry guys but they are not as similar in their operation as it might seem. The Spyder is a sear tripping (for that matter so is an Automag) blow back, spring forward design. The Intimidator's hammer/ram is NOT pushed forward by a mechanical spring, is NOT recocked by the gas that fires the ball when the valve is opened, and is NOT held back by a sear. I guess an argument can be made for certain shared traits, but the same comparison can be made from a Spyder to an Autococker...closed bolt operation and all. I mean the 'cocker is a sear tripping, stack tube, aluminum bodied, spring forward, seperate bolt and hammer having gun like the Spyder is it not?
And by the way, lets not be too hard on the Spyder. For what you pay, they are great guns. I wonder how many Autococker, Automag, Angel and Intimidator shooters got their first sniff of paintball gun ownership with a Spyder? Heck even my Empire Intimidator and Impulse owning, tournament playing (with the attitude), paintball field job working, 14 year old son admits that his Spyder never let him down:)

[RRfireblade]

Your correct,but as previously stated.A Timmy is a Blowback design with a ram replacing the spring in the hammer assemlby.And true,an Autococker,despite the disconnected hammer/bolt relationship is a blowback design with trigger activated ram.It is actually much closer to a Spyder in design than most people realize.

And as I had also stated,an Imp,Angel and Bushy are all equally related with only the logical refinements over the years.I not talking about specifics like software and brands of microswitches,just basics in design.

It's also not a slam to either marker in any way.

Jay.

[WARPED1]

The first run of Intimidators ever, were leftover Spyder bodies that were slated for BL Milleniums. Some of the internals were the same, and interchangeable. Todays Intimidators are based on that body designed, but made specifically for the Intimidator line.

[Gabriel]

yes, but I can make a ring made specifically for my finger. Does that mean my hand is of a different operation that other peoples? :xeyed:

Yeth, thut iz uhn egzajerashun, but it gits muh poynt axros!

[Jack & Coke]

First Bob wanted to get into the after market business to make some extra $$$. He developed an entery level clone of the Spyder called the Millenium.

Later, he and the guys at ICD co-developed a new electro-pnematic design to compete with Angel. ICD named their version the Bushmaster, Bob named his the Defiant. They are the same gun with only a few cosmetic differences.

To take his Defiant to the next level, he added A.C.E and decided to use his over-stock of Millenium bodies (which were not selling very well). Marry the two developments together and you have the Classic Intimidator.

Note: The Millenium body is too short, it has an extension added to the end of the body.

Classic Timmy: The only thing related to the Spyder if the body. All the internals and how the gun works comes from the development of the Defiant.

All other Timmy's: Nothing is related to the Spyder.

[tony3]

Originally posted by Fixion
... and thats why I came up with the Lasoya Xtra. The ultimate spyder!!!!!1111

Nice company off the original clamshelled xtra.....that I made

[Fixion]

Originally posted by tony3


Nice company off the original clamshelled xtra.....that I made

I'm sorry, I forgot to give credit where it was due. I admit I got the idea from you (PB Review forums), but I thought that your photochop was inadiquate. Sorry for not giving you credit originaly, I wasn't sure who's idea it was (I just remembered the picture). So I made my own. This is actually my third version (with the eye covers in the correct place). But hey, you gotta admit, my photochop isn't bad .

[RRfireblade]

Man,those Timmy guys REALLY hate the spyder connection.

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by personman

How do you figure that?
They are two completely different designs, in fact, the only thing I think is in common is maybe they both have sears, and even thats kind of streching it because the sear on a mag and the sear on a spyder are used for different things.
I suppose they both fire paintballs.

Actually both sears hold the cocking mechanism "cocked". Both control the cocking mechanism buy use of a burst of air and a spring (just in reverse order). Why do you think it's blowback and blowforward? Very similar ideas actually, just as are the electropneumatic ram/bolts.

[Jack & Coke]

I could care less if there's a Spyder connection or not.

I don't know about the rest of the guys, but I own a spyder, nice beginner gun. I don't mind letting my noobie friends use it when they play.

My post was to inform what appears to be a growing mass of ignorance on the forum.

Think of it as a public service announcement. Just so people don't look so stupid in the future. :)

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
Your correct,but as previously stated.A Timmy is a Blowback design with a ram replacing the spring in the hammer assemlby.And true,an Autococker,despite the disconnected hammer/bolt relationship is a blowback design with trigger activated ram.It is actually much closer to a Spyder in design than most people realize.

It's not a blowback design if air vented from the valve doesn't push the hammer back. Cockers and electrpneumatics are not blowbacks.

[RRfireblade]

Wow.

Either you guys are really anal or completely blind to the obvious.

Believe what ever you like,it really doesn't matter much.But it's easily apparent to anyone with a moderate amount of mechanical inclination that the Timmy design came directly from a blow back.The DESIGN people,not the parts,not the current body,not the grip frame,the design,idea,inclination if you will.

The man who developed it made spyder bodies.Knew spyders and apparently liked spyders but thought he could improve on the "design".Took the principals of the spyder "design" and add a ram to cycle the bolt and hammer instead of blow back air and springs.Guess what....it's now called a timmy.

Not a slam or a degridation,just simply obvious.

Believe whatever else you like.

Jay.

[Angry Man]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
Wow.

Either you guys are really anal or completely blind to the obvious.

Believe what ever you like,it really doesn't matter much.But it's easily apparent to anyone with a moderate amount of mechanical inclination that the Timmy design came directly from a blow back.The DESIGN people,not the parts,not the current body,not the grip frame,the design,idea,inclination if you will.

The man who developed it made spyder bodies.Knew spyders and apparently liked spyders but thought he could improve on the "design".Took the principals of the spyder "design" and add a ram to cycle the bolt and hammer instead of blow back air and springs.Guess what....it's now called a timmy.

Not a slam or a degridation,just simply obvious.

Believe whatever else you like.

Jay.

To be honest, you're giving Bob Long too much credit. Yes, blowbacks and stacked tube electros operate on similar principles, but Bob Long didn't invent the electro. Bushmasters, angels, impulses even (I think) were all around before the Indimidator, and yes, they were all based roughly on the design of a spyder (which were based on the design of stacked tube pumps, except they had a valve that allowed blowback through to recock.) So yes, everything did evolve from what came before it, but no, Bob Long didn't base his gun on a spyder, he based it on previously designed electros (which were likely inspired by spyders), and used a spyder-style body.

Btw, definitely go for the intimidator. They're fast, light, and they don't chop. If you don't want a gun that's similar to a spyder, don't get one, but then also don't get an impulse, bushmaster, angel, or viking, because they all work in the same way an intimidator does.

[minimag187]

I agree, they all work the same way really but are just arranged differently.

[JKW]

Jay,
I understand that you are not slamming the Intimidator and I certainly take no offense, but I have a different understanding of what constitutes a "blowback design". The Intimidator and depends on something disconnected from the expulsion of gas vented when the valve is slammed open, to return the bolt and hammer, and ready the gun for the next cycle. I still maintain that the Impulse, Bushmaster, Autococker, Angel and Intimidator are far enough removed from the true blowback as to be a different catagory. This might make for a good discussion in another thread, so we can remove ourselves from the whole Timmy is a Spyder thing.