Pneumatic Mags: A cure for the SP lawsuit problem and much more?

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

Slightly off topic but why is AGD laying off on making a new electro frame, I have heard its because of the SP issue but aren't they still producing and selling emags?

Az

[melster]

maybe they should just make a pneumatic one?

[GT]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


The trigger would only be activating a 3-way. Therefor it could be infintessimally light.

Use a palmer quick switch, and it only has to travel .5mm. Use a little bit of leverage and it can be a shorter pull than even that.

So, is Nicad's new layout electronic as well or is it purely pneumatic?

I just dont see it being all that better than the current mag. I have shot tons of cockers and have yet to be all that impressed.

so like alot of work and to much stuff to go wrong.

I believe that Nicad's deal is entirly mech, but to be honest I only know what he had posted in a few threads..

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by gtrsi


I just dont see it being all that better than the current mag. I have shot tons of cockers and have yet to be all that impressed.

You need to shoot the right ones.

Set up right,lighter than a ULT and ~1mm with no shortstroke possibilities,if done right and applied to a Mag.

Jay.

[Jack & Coke]

I like the idea of this pneumatic conversion!

Do you think the mag's poor efficiency (compared to todays top markers) would get even worse with this pneumatic kit?

[RRfireblade]

Jake-

Yes,but I did mine on an L7 so I wasn't thinking about effeciency when I did it.I saw Punishers first and just wanted to see if I could get everything inside the frame.

I still have the frame w/ sear laying around somewhere,I probably could get it back together with a few more spare parts.

Rogue-

That's the only way I do it.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
I like the idea of this pneumatic conversion!

Do you think the mag's poor efficiency (compared to todays top markers) would get even worse with this pneumatic kit?

Damn, swore I wouldn't talk about this on list, but:

When it comes to poor efficiency, people are really thinking shots per tank.

The problem is mags can't go as far to the botton of the tank as others.

But a mag only needs 400psi in the dump chamber. [Or it used too before lvl10], so why need more? Why even need 400?

Think spring.

Think what the difference between a spider and a timmie is.

So for the Mag valve?.....

I'll never be rich. Keep giving away my ideas.....

[nerobro]

Does anyone have any idea how easy this woudl be with a classic RT, with it's airline assesory holes? *grins*

While the pull may be shorter, I don't see a 3 way being much lighter than a ULT :-)

[Ov3rmind]

I really like this idea. Not only would your trigger pull be shorter, but it would be much smoother. Honestly, the added penumatics shouldn't be that unreliable, especially when everyone's already adding ULTs and Lvl 10s.

[Jerhew]

i imagine you could just mount the lpr vertically where the foregrip is(ala autococker)
and then maybe you could fit both the ram and 4way in the grip...
obviously you don't need a full cocker sized ram so it could work...
and since it's only controlling the ram and there's technically no timing issues the way there are in cockers...it wouldn't be that hard to keep timed

i love mechanical wackiness so i do like the idea...
but it kind of seems to be over-complicated

[RRfireblade]

I know Rogue.

[Jack & Coke]

If this mod does the following:

ELIMINATE short stroking (Chuff! Chuff!)

and

Shorter and softer trigger pull

...then I'm all for it!

Current RT triggers don't short-stroke because of the heavy pull and return trigger forces. However the trigger pull is still very stiff and impossible to walk.

ULT is a step forward in getting the trigger light enough to walk, however the increased occurances of chuffing associated with the UTL design practically negates it's usefullness.

AGD make this happen!

[nicad]

as yes... the pneumatic mags.

end of 2002 I built a electro-penumatic mag gripframe. integrated in rail, snatch grip, optical trigger, and direct mechanical over-ride. the grip is electrical (ran off a 9v in the grip). I was thinking about modifying Intelliframes for this, but never came about.



Don't confuse this grip frame with the 100% mechanical frame I'v made since. It is based in an Intelliframe, but took some heavy modification... not exactly drop-in.



I started the protection process on it earlier last year and have since been approached by a number of heads (owners, etc) in the paintball industry about getting this mechanical concept manufactured. It is currently in the process of doing so and hopefully, if all goes well, should be an available product in the near future (this year??). Due to the situation, I can't say much more about it... except that it will blow you away.

out!

[Jack & Coke]

Sweet!!!

AGD should have you on their payroll

[nicad]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
.. AGD should have you on their payroll

..who says they dont?
well, not "officially".