Is the DM4 really that good?

[nouseforaname]

http://www.carnagepaintball.com/VIDEO/dm4.wmv

cool video of the DM4 in action, its like a 5:30min video but its really cool

[Evil1]

What are some of the reported problems with the DM4? An LCD screen would be nice being it is over $1000 and there are guns under$300 w/ them. The DM4 is not my final choice yet. LIke I said before just another gun to throw in the lineup. I know the DM4 is not very attactive looking, but I've never based a marker decision on looks. I've seen beautiful guns shoot like total crap. From what I've seen, this gun does rip and did not chop any paint in the process. And one more thing: An 03 shocker is totally out of the question. I shot one a few months ago and hated the trigger on it and to be quite honest SP never really impressed me.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

I had a DM4...for 2 days...made 200 with it...I can't complain..sounds great to me..

[Evil1]

How much did the DM4 cost you DirtyBunny? If you don't mind my asking. Is it fast like in the videos? What makes the gun easy to rip on?

[Rope a Dope]

Hey DiRTyBuNNy, is that yours in the trash? lol

The reason they are so easy to rip on is because when you pull the trigger 10 times in 1 second it shoots 25 times due to trigger bounce.

[Evil1]

If thats the case then this gun is going to cause major issues when the use of it becomes more widespread. I thought maybe the guys in the vids were just trigger gods. It still seemed awful fast to be semi auto. Like I said though, if all this stuff is true about the bounce then there will be alot of stuff going on in a few months.

[rikkter]

i can easily hit 15+ on my emag with 3.2, in E mode. i RARELY run it in Manual. so i dont see why it'd be so hard to rip on it anyways

[Meph]

Well it depends, honestly I'd just get the LCD DYE Matrix over DM4. Why?

Internally they are really the same. Oh sure, the DM4 has the "fusion" bolt, but c'mon. Look at the bolt, how the airflow works. They are identical. Only real difference is that the DM4 pieces screw together while Matrix are floating around. Other than that airflow and performance of the design are the same.

All they did with the DM4 is relocate the LPR to the back and added that on/off knob. Big whoopty doo. Get a regular Matrix. DM4 is just an overly-elaborate, uber-expensive, glorified Matrix.


The board however, sure the DM4 is better. For people who like to set a debounce to 1 and go full-auto. But most people can just remove the trigger spring in the Matrix and shoot plenty fast!

And if people want them I do have pictures of DM4 internals to prove just how similar they are to regular Matrix internals.

Oh, and New shocker internals to boot. All know what a ripoff that is.

[xXHavokXx]

The DM4 is amazing. My Boss's rips like a machine gun. Quiet as all hell too. Yes its worth it

[JesseB]

I am with Meph Dye LCD all the way. I had the choice and my choice was the LCD.

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

Originally posted by Meph


All they did with the DM4 is relocate the LPR to the back and added that on/off knob. Big whoopty doo. Get a regular Matrix. DM4 is just an overly-elaborate, uber-expensive, glorified Matrix.

I agree with that completely. If you want a matrix, get either a Freeflow w/optical switch and eyes, Ironman (if you can find one), or another high end trix. If you want the same board, get an NYX matrix. DM4 has the 2nd generation NYX board in it, that's all, and honestly, you don't need a new board. I have an LCD matrix and i'm sending it to get UL milling from Demon guns. That brings the weight of the gun down to 2lbs (18 oz lighter then stock gun, 4oz lighter then ironman matrix). If the DM4 is lighter, I doubt it is to a noticeable difference. Another thing is that you cannot change out the feedneck of the DM4 on account of the shape of the body. It's pretty much an NYX matrix, minus the body, minus the removeable breech, minus the ability to upgrade the gun (Dye is not allowing anyone to make parts for the DM4), plus it's ugly, has had problems (could be because it is in the first run), and extremely expensive. For $1500, you can build an LCD Matrix milled out with ACE and the all the best parts, and you will still probably have a little money left over.

[Zumina]

The price reflects the sweet milling. If you're after performance, a regular trix is just as good.

[Meph]

Yeah.

So sweet a milling that they left some extra inside of the one I got to take apart and fix! Even more of it to love!! Gotta love QC work that gives you metal shavings inside the marker, now that's truely special.

[Zumina]

Meph, I'd love to see those pics!

[NoJoyPunk]