AO ARMY: Blackrain Paintball in danger

[SlartyBartFast]

A very quick search shows you're plumb out of luck.

And it has nothing to do with kid's being in the building. Seems the building inspector is completely right. Check the code here:http://livepublish.municode.com/23/l...ple&2.0#LPHit1

Found after a very brief search from: http://www.cityofracine.org/

You could of course ask for a varience. However I for one would put my name of the list of people against it. Safety should NOT be compromised for profit.

[Crighton]

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by MarkM
Take a look at the PSP World Cup the staging area was an open sided tent but under Florida if not all US regs it is a building and so we were not allowed to smoke inside the open sided tent..that is wrong but since when did building usage regs make sense.

You'll get no sympathy from me. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Let the smokers go outside. Keep their pollution as far away as possible where it will disipate the quickest.

Building usage regs maybe complex but they DO make sence. They can't list the hundreds or thousands of allowable exceptions. So they list one rule. You then have the chance to justify your reasoning for a varience.

But occupancy, fire code, and other safety regulations are usually unchangeable. No-one on council will want to be known for voting for a varience that caused a death.

[Smoke]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye



You should be taking this campaign to the proper people: Your town council, Planning Board, or Zoning Board. They can have an immediate impact!

The town council approved it 100% without sprinklers. They want this place to open regardless, and we were originally told that as long as nobody smokes inside or goes up in the blacony, we would be fine.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by automagfreek
The town council approved it 100% without sprinklers. They want this place to open regardless, and we were originally told that as long as nobody smokes inside or goes up in the blacony, we would be fine.

So, apply for the varience and get it over with. If they agree 100% it should be a cakewalk to get the paperwork done.

[Smoke]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


So, apply for the varience and get it over with. If they agree 100% it should be a cakewalk to get the paperwork done.

Thank you, this is what I needed ot know.

So, it's the council that you go to for variences? (just trying to be 100% clear on this. thanks)

[FutureMagOwner]

Originally posted by Muzikman
Safty first. Think of it this way, those 100+ people might still be a live in RI if there were sprinklers in that night club. Public safety is a good thing...good luck.

not to get too far off the topic but a recreation was done of the event and it was shown that sprinkler systems wouldnt have saved anyone from that kind of fire :\

[MarkM]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
You'll get no sympathy from me. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Let the smokers go outside. Keep their pollution as far away as possible where it will disipate the quickest.

Obviously an Ex-smoker, but that aside the reason for using the WC as an example was that the opensided nature of the Tents gave proper ventilation and it was still disallowed...the reasons for doing it I can understand but to designate a temp structure with open sides a building is more than a little crazy, the example was for the coding of new usage structures within a local area can change and in Florida they have. Sun on the Beach in Old Town is open to the street and allows smoking as they have a special kind of code allowance...the empty bar across the street called the Blue Max doens't have the allowance and was practically empty for the entire World Cup, so ban smokers at your peril...political correctness gone mad..these buildings did get cheaper insurrance as they have banned smoking in them..well they don't have the option now as the law got changed so the places that opted out and saved money on insurrance and lost turnover money will now watch their insurrance rise as the insurrance companies now don't have to cut them a break for banning smoking
You can't side step building regs, so that was the reason for the post I made.

[The Frymarker]

Originally posted by Muzikman
Safty first. Think of it this way, those 100+ people might still be a live in RI if there were sprinklers in that night club. Public safety is a good thing...good luck.

Yeah that is a touchy subject here in RI, I for one believe that if there were sprinklers that many people would have made it out alive. Then again that building was not equipped to have pyrotechnics inside.

It is always best to go with safety first, you never know when a tragedy could occur. It is to be safe than sorry.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by automagfreek


Thank you, this is what I needed ot know.

So, it's the council that you go to for variences? (just trying to be 100% clear on this. thanks)

Speak to the town council first!

They will direct you to the proper board for variances. It may be zoning or planning boards depending upon community.

Good luck!

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by MarkM
Obviously an Ex-smoker, but that aside the reason for using the WC as an example was that the opensided nature of the Tents gave proper ventilation and it was still disallowed...the reasons for doing it I can understand but to designate a temp structure with open sides a building is more than a little crazy

Not an ex-smoker. Well, I'm an ex-secondhand smoker as my father smoked like a chimney.

Personally, I've never had any desire to be so stupid as to risk my health or waste my money on smoking. I'd have been in the empty smoke-free bar across the street...

And clasifying a tent as a building isn't so stupid. Why was it classsified a building? Probably has nothing to do with being "building" or not. Most of the rules I've seen only refer to "structures". The rules that apply to them usually depend on whether they are temporary or permanent, their size, and the use they are intended for.

As for ventilation requirements, what about if the wind stopped? Or came from another direction? Or a temporary wall was put up?

From a regulations standpoint, "sufficient" ventillation would be defined as how often a powered ventilation system would exchange the interior air. Not left to the chance of how many walls were open. Otherwise, what percentage of wall, under what conditions, with how many sq.ft. in total and how far from furthest point to open wall/section, is adequate?

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Speak to the town council first!

Exactly. If you are/were polite, the building inspector would probably tell you what would be necessary.

All the correct resources have been named:
- building inspector
- zoning board
- town council
- planning board

Notice AO isn't on the list?

[MarkM]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
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Only quoted you like that to save a little space not because of the content..honest. and to know I was replying to you.
To smoke or not is my choice and as is many others plus the taxes that are paid on tobacco will continue to stop you from paying a stealth tax, but it's up to you. I used an example of building codes that don't appear to follow any logic, it was just the easiest to use...you turned it not me

[Timmee]

Originally posted by The Frymarker


Yeah that is a touchy subject here in RI, I for one believe that if there were sprinklers that many people would have made it out alive. Then again that building was not equipped to have pyrotechnics inside.

It is always best to go with safety first, you never know when a tragedy could occur. It is to be safe than sorry.

Not to mention the fact that the pyrotechnics used were rated for outdoor use only.

(sorry for continuing off topic)

[Smoke]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


Notice AO isn't on the list?

The reason I posted here is because I was hoping someone either A. had the answers or B. experienced this before. We were getting nowhere by ourselves, hence why I asked.


1stDeadEye: Is there anything else I need to know about variences? I plan on emailing this link the Chris, the owner.