Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight - an Effective Means to Curb the ROF Problem?

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

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Back on topic, one thought would be that the RT affect should absolutely be disallowed. The idea of one shot one pull is you apply the pressure, it fires, you release and reapply new pressure. RT would be that you apply the force once and each additional pull requires no additional force, just the maintenance of finger position, so it would be under the weight limit.

In all this mech tourney talk, it is important to distinguish whether this is an attempt to clean up the sport and produce a legitimized contest with the SP suit just being a catalyst for the idea to progress..... or if it is simply a way for companies like AGD to manipulate the market so they're the top dogs in it and can push out Empire, DYE, SP, and such. I guess the motives of those developing the idea and supporting the idea will determine if this is a noble cause or a marketing ploy that would make the stuff SP pulls look innocent by comparison. This is like a car company producing a killer performance innovation and because the people running the event produce cars that they don't want to license the part for, that they find an excuse to ban it solely for their own gain instead of the good of the sport when one of their own products is more risky but still allowed. I may be wrong, but if runaway/sweetspotting is allowed, I'd feel safer in the electro trigger bounce tourneys.

[Brophog]

That's a good thought, but I kinda disagree.

Most of the high end electros are very good markers. The thought among some is that people are wanting a lower bps to help bring back the mechanicals, and be a fall for the electros. I don't think that is true.

Most of the electros are very stable shooters. They have very low kick, operate at a very low pressure, are efficient, and have valve chambers capable of high recharge rates.

They would be top quality at 10 bps.

Maybe if we lowered bps, the mechanicals wouldn't fall prey to sheer "evolution" like the pumps did long ago, but I don't think it would be a killing blow for the electros either.

[cledford]

I kinda disagree on the RT. As long as it takes X amount of weight to cause the trigger to break then it should be good. Bounce is illegal and not permitted.

That having been said, the ULT would be pretty attactive so maybe the RT would go by the wayside.

-Calvin

[DementedRabbit]

Allowing RTs almost gets you back to where you started for limiting the rate of fire.

If the mech-only movement comes off as being "in bed" with AGD and their RT line, you're going to have a difficult time trying to argue anything on the basis of ROF.

But then again, isn't it? Yeah, I'm aware of where I'm posting this, but I'm seeing a lot of what can be read as "sore loser" postings by people who remain mechanical for financial or "moral high ground" reasons.

If there's this big "noble" cause to limit ROF by restricting triggers, you may as well be uniform in the restrictions and say "spring return or fixed pressure return only."

[Arawn]

Originally posted by cledford
I kinda disagree on the RT. As long as it takes X amount of weight to cause the trigger to break then it should be good. Bounce is illegal and not permitted.
That having been said, the ULT would be pretty attactive so maybe the RT would go by the wayside.
-Calvin

It doesn't sound at all to you like that would be forming the rules around the RT mode?



With those rules as stated, RT allowed, and no bps cap in place, what would keep the industry from making RT into the next Debounce(or rather, "Bounce") setting?


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[Woogie12]

How many of these threads are there now? I didn't feel like reading all of the posts, but I just wanted to comment on this idea,.
This idea seems a bit over the top. You could just make everyone use revvies, or you could get insurance companies to step in. To affect the ROFwith the trigger pull, you would probably have to outrule electros, and I doubt that every player in the NPPL/PSP is going to want to shoot mech guns. I don't think that you should slow down the ROF so much that it takes away from a big part of the game today. Creating a trigger pull limit would just cause guns to slow down past the point of necessity for safety. It would cause an uproar in the paintball community. Just my .02

[lamby]

I think that the minimum trigger pull weight is the only way to easily slow the markers down that would be fair to e and mech class markers. I do not support that idea, and I think these threads are an attempt to make it look like the tourney players want this as much as the rec players (or noobs as the case may be)

The tourney guys I know accept the idea of getting hosed by these markers, but you have to remember 7 broken balls on you from one person means that you are still alive and the offending player is out. (overshooting rule that I have see in all tourneys) So go ahead and light me up (If I dont do it to you first ) I dont care it is part of the game.

Rec ballers on the other hand that have rental pirahanas have a complaint here. If the first time you show up you have the only mech gun on the field, sure you will have issues with the "super guns" Hell you would think that a RTP is a "supergun" compaired to yours.

If you want to cap this rec ball stuff to shake-and-pray hoppers that would be fine with me. give me a tippy 98 and lets go. If you want to limits tourneys to lets say revvys, I would say "ARE YOU NUTS?, WHAT IS THE POINT?" I think that speed ball is just that SPEED ball, not "alot of movement ball" or "lets see how I can effectively use my 200 paintballs ball" or "It dont matter how fast you get to your bunker because they are only shooting 1 ball a year ball"

It is SPEED ball You need to move FAST or you are hosed you need to think FAST as you dont have much time, and you have to SHOOT FAST. That is why it is SPEED BALL. If I want to shoot slow and walk in the woods I would grap my 12GA and blast squirels. (they taste better then noobs ) if want to play paintball, I want to do it on sup' air with 4 of my friends competing against another 5 friends.

If you have never played in a national level tourney. I think you should have NO say on the rules for national level events.

I also agree that RTs need to be banned as RTs are "bounce". Didn't they make a mechanical reactive trigger assist for cockers that was banned due to speeds of over 22bps? Either way, if you want to put a cap on something that means it can not shoot over that speed. You can not restrict a mechanical marker to a maximum so I think all manuals should be banned. only marker allowed is a capped, non buffered, minimum trigger pull tension, electro marker.

What I suggest in the end is let the sport do what the sport is going to do. I know non-ballers that are watching the pros on OLN and the first thing they say is "That is cool, how are they able to move around like that when they are shooting so fast?" my answer is always "That is where the skill comes in" Think about it.

Paintball is getting more main stream, and the rec ball stuff is not driving the ship to TV coverage. The splatt attack thing on OLN was the most boring thing ever (well made, and professional, but BORING)
The 5 man cup stuff was much more enjoyable to watch. People like the SPEED of the game. X-ball will only make it bigger.

[Z-man]

[Woogie12]

Everyone complains about overshooting, but it doesn't happen all that often. I rarely see anyone overshot in NPPL videos or even while I'm at the events. I played in a local tourney and there were no problems with overshooting as with 3 of my local fields.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by Woogie12
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...I rarely see anyone overshot in NPPL videos...

[B]

haha... you're not watching the right videos

http://www.derderpaintball.com/

[Arawn]

Even in the Vegas PanAm, which I found to be a good tourney and a good time, I saw quite a bit of overshooting.



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