"Fronteer Justice" on paintball fields

[Tyger]

The DMW thread made me want an answer to this.

"What gives a player the right to take the rules into their own hands to exact "justice" on the paintball field?"

Specific to the DMW thread, MANY players there said, in plain englsh, that it was perfectly OK to light up (bonus ball) a player doing a DMW against you, specifically to "teach them a lesson." The response was "I'll bonus ball you back!" Forget the rules! It's a streetfight!

Under what set of rules do you have the right or ability to exact vigalante justice on a paintball field? I thought we had referees? Is that NOT what they are there for? Or has the referee become a trivial part of the game?

I really want an answer to this. Even at fields that the referee has been less than useful, they're still there to enforce rules and keep players honest. Or are we still mavericks who never really left the 'woods' mentality of "No refs, no rules"?

Are we hypocrites to say on one hand "People who crank up velocity and play outlaw ball are unsafe!" then turn around to say it's acceptable behavior to take the rules into your own hands to punish opponents at your discression? I'm beginning to think so.

-Tyger

[hitech]

Fired up, aren't we? However, I do agree with you.

And I think that "some" of the people would not do that, even though they posted they would. It's easy to convince yourself that you would when “talking” about it. It’s a big step up to actually do it. The consequences of your actions are much clearer then. Hopefully, at least.

[teufelhunden]

Neither is appropriate. You shouldn't put your velocity at 370 just as you shouldn't intentionally overshoot. Walking into a 20 bps lane is your problem, not mine.

[Tyger]

Originally posted by teufelhunden
Walking into a 20 bps lane is your problem, not mine.

We're not talking about that. We're talking about seeing someone do a DMW, or the like, knowing what they're doing, turning your gun to bear, and shooting 20 bps at them INTENTIONALLY with the purpose of causing pain (AKA "Teaching htem a lesson")! Not an incidental, and accidental, walking into a lane of fire.

Don't confuse the issues.

-Tyger

[Creative Mayhem]

I have never had the chance to see whether or not, I would light someone up for a DMW but in the thick of things, I'm not 100% that I wouldn't. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, I'm just saying that sometimes the situation can dictate to us our course of action.

We had a teamate that wanted to try to make a DMW at Skyball 2K1. We told him in no uncertain terms, that if he were to try it, he WOULD get lit up by us, nevermind the other team. In that instance it served as more of a warning, due to the penatlties and possible DQ factor.

I think the question is, Is and will there always be "vigilate justice" on the field? I say yes. Is it wrong? I don't know if i really have the answer. However, lighting anyone up for any reason isn't correct. Even if they are being a bonehead and pulling a cheap move. Just my .02

[Barfly]

haha, vigilante justice I like that. We don't need refs, lets just take everyone that cheats line them up and just blast them all to... Anyways DMW is a part of the game until they make it illegal, so don't let your ego get in the way of better judgement.

[Arawn]

Tyger,

Intentional bonusballing is also badsportsmanship.
-Thus far, I think we agree.

As I stated in the other thread, I feel the DMW constitutes badsportmanship.
Here, perhaps you and I disagree.

However, I neither said nor meant to imply that pulling a DMW justified getting bonusballed/lit up. Merely that I believe the practice of DMW encourages bonusballing.

These statments apply, IMHO, to both rec and tourney play.


Later,
B.

[magking1971]

Tyger, It is called the, Look-mom-I-am-on-the-internet-so-I'm-a-tough-guy syndrome.
It is running amok on AO lately.
Bonus-balling is stupid and should never be done out of anger, but alot of these guys will say "YAH LITE HIM UP" but if it happens to them they will cry foul to the reffs and have a fit.

[03vert]

they have something similar to the DMW in baseball:Correct me if i am wrong but isnt it when a player hits a ball and it gets thrown to the first baseman but the hitter never touches the base and the first baseman never touched the bag then the player is still "alive" untill the next pitch is thrown or when first base is tagged or he enters the dugout. Stupid, but still legal.

[funkykarl]

Originally posted by 03vert
they have something similar to the DMW in baseball

Maybe... but what's your point?

And in all honesty, I don't think people are disagreeing on this subject of DMWs and bonus balling as much as we think... most everybody acknowledges that they are in fact legal, most think it's a cheap move while some say it is okay when necessary, most eveybody seems to think that it encourages if not justifies bonus balling, most people think it shouldn't be used in recball...
I guess the point of my incoherent rambling is, why have these threads been going on for pages and pages??? All I'm seeing is people saying the same things over and over... or is it just me?

[tony3]

No just you Yeah, everyone pretty much says the same thing over and over again. I think its pretty common knowledge around here atleast, you do a DMW you WILL get lit up. It's not a real rule, but its like in fight, never kick another guy in the balls, rules that aren't rules, but everyone tries to follow. Know what I'm getting at?

[Mike Smith]

If I'm doing a DMW and you can get 20 balls on me before I call myself out, well good for you. Once I call myself out, quit shooting me. I'm no longer in the game.

Ever since I attached a Texas flag to my barrel plug/sock/muzzle, I haven't been shot as I exit the field. I'll see how my new Texas Flag barrel socks/muzzles work..... (I couldn't find one anywhere, so I had animal paintball make me 10 of them)



FYI tony3, don't get in a fight with a Texan. The only objective we have is to have our opponent completely incapacitated and the fight completely over within about 15-20 seconds. Those are the only two rules we acknowledge in a fight.

[deathstalker]

I choose to live my life by the Golden Rule: I would not want to be bonus-balled, therefore I myself will not bonus-ball another player. This is very different from having a fast trigger finger and someone getting lit up simply because the balls are already in the air. Bonus-balling is intentional and malicious. Having a fast finger isn't.

To keep the DMW theme going, my guess is the people who want to bonus-ball are mad because they were too stupid to notice a live player walking their way. I play only rec (and I stress that; I have no intention of playing tournaments) and when I notice a player from the other team walking towards me with no physical indication they are out, I will call out to them and remind them that if they're out, they need to show it. If they don't, I shoot them. Yes, I will fire several times, but I don't expect them all to hit/break. I expect to be treated no different.

Maybe I'm just a nice guy and actually give a damn about people having a good, fun, safe time.

[GT]

I actaully had a ref at one of our better local feilds tell me to bonus ball another player. I ask him, in the middle of the game mind you, why this plaer desrved such fate. He told me that he suspected the player "wiped". The next words out of my mouth were, "Why the (insert bad not AO friendly talk here) is he still in the game?" He then explained that he had not seen the incident and only heard about it from the other palyers.

I beleive this all stems from poor leadership amoung paintball players. come on guys step up

[Richter]