What is your favorite Legal & Illegal cheating technique?

[Off Center]

As far as padding goes, I remember the first time I played, about 8 years ago. One gentleman came out of the bathroom and his buddy noticed that he had a wetsuit top on underneath his shirt. Everyone laughed at him and called him a puss. I was probably about 12 years old at the time and was proud to not be wearing padding that encouraged bounces. I still am.

I'd like to see a little more of that kind of socially enforced 'rule'. People are less likely to do something if they think othere people will laugh at them because of it than if it's merely against the rules. Next time you see someone with bounce-inducing padding, call 'em a puss and ask 'em if their scared a gettin' hit.

[Wierd-Guy]

My favorite borderline rule is insane trigger bounce. I love shooting a gun that I can shoot fast so I can load as I shoot.

I'm not sure if this is illigal but, if I'm playing a back bunker and I'm looking one way, then I feel tugs on my other side. I'd don't check them, I leave that for the refs. I tuck into the bunker and watch my zone, is that wrong? In the rules it says your not out until a ref pulls you but still...

[minimag187]

I just love it when Greenspan keeps yanking his arm away from the ref to get a couple shots off.

[tyrion2323]

I don't cheat, and I don't appreciate any forms of cheating. There are certainly some tricky moves, but cheaters are just 2nd hand players.

[tribalman]

Originally posted by minimag187
I just love it when Greenspan keeps yanking his arm away from the ref to get a couple shots off.

lol, u can't be out if the ref can't pull the arm band!
if i ever see that, it'll be funny. especially when the person is bonus balled a pod.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by tribalman


lol, u can't be out if the ref can't pull the arm band!
if i ever see that, it'll be funny. especially when the person is bonus balled a pod.

I guess the only for of legal cheating I do, or used to do, is when im "in the zone" during a tourney. ( you know what I mean) I wont take time to check hits that are hard to see. I just keep playing and let the refs do there job. Most of the time its bouncers any way.

In rec ball, i always take time to check and call myself out. Partially because its just recball and partially because Im usually DEAD tired. lol and that ice cold gatorade in my truck always sounds good.

[Brophog]

Originally posted by Wierd-Guy
I'm not sure if this is illigal but, if I'm playing a back bunker and I'm looking one way, then I feel tugs on my other side. I'd don't check them, I leave that for the refs. I tuck into the bunker and watch my zone, is that wrong? In the rules it says your not out until a ref pulls you but still...

According to the NPPL ruleset, I would have to say yes.

Rule 10.01. Obvious hits are those which impact and break on easily observable places on the body or
equipment being carried or those that have been felt by the player

Rule 10.04. Players, who are hit in obvious locations, which are easily verifiable, by such players may not
call for a paint check. Calling for a paint check under such circumstances constitutes continuing play.

Rule 10.06. Players with obvious hits in areas which are not easily verifiable, such as the back, may continue
to play, but must immediately call on a teammate who can easily verify whether or not the paintball
broke to indicate whether or not such player was eliminated. The teammate must respond immediately,
and if the hit player was eliminated, he must cease play, signal his elimination and exit the field pursuant
to the provisions of this Section 10.0. Failure to call on such teammate for verification or failure of such
teammate to respond immediately constitutes playing on by the hit player. If no such teammate is
available for verification, such player may continue to play, but must immediately call for a paint check
by a field judge. Failure to call for such a paint check immediately will constitute playing on by such
player.

Rule 10.13. Should a player with an unobvious hit become aware, through his own actions or through
information provided by teammates, that he has been validly marked, such hit at such time shall then be
deemed to constitute and shall constitute an obvious hit.

While I agree that most of these rules are not enforced, this is from the NPPL 2003 rules, and I would clearly think that you cheated through your actions. On a side note, I see absolutely nothing in the rules about:

In the rules it says your not out until a ref pulls you but still...

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Jonesie
On top of that, over 90% of the time I take paint on the break, they bounce.

And that's why honesty and integrity in paintball sucks and airsoft will never take off.

If you take hits 90% of the time on the break, 90% of the time you should never reach your first bunker. By the rules you have the obligation to call paintcheck, stop and check for a break. Calling paintcheck is supposed to make you neutral.

But, the interity, honesty and honor of tournament ball is virtually zero and the credo is 'keep going till they yank me'.

May as well just all stand on opposite ends of an open field and fire until one team is eliminated by breaks. Or perhaps even more fitting, just make it first team to flinch or run out of paint wins.

Because the attitude above shows that luck is far more important than skill or sportsmanship. Bounce or not, if you were hit off the break, your skills suck, you were beat, your opponnent is a better (maybe luckier) shot, and deserves to get an elimination.

The fact tournament instict is to continue and hope a legit hit disappears shows that the players are devoid of any concept of sportsmanship or honour.

The fact that such tactics and the teaching and practicing of such tactics is tolerated and virtually encouraged by opinion and lax enforcement shows the Sport is devoid of and uninterested in sportsmanship and honour.

[Garrum]

I read you loud and clear, SlartyBart. I can't really add anything to it, other than agree with you.

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
And that's why honesty and integrity in paintball sucks and airsoft will never take off.

Because 90% of the hits he takes off the break bounce, that means he's dishonest and has no integrity? I'm not quite following you here...

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
If you take hits 90% of the time on the break, 90% of the time you should never reach your first bunker. By the rules you have the obligation to call paintcheck, stop and check for a break. Calling paintcheck is supposed to make you neutral.

If 90% of the time he takes hits off the break are bounces, then he shouldn't be making it to his bunker 10% of the time. Also, the ref can decide whether to call you neutral or not, I'm pretty sure just calling for a paintcheck does not make you neutral.

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
Because the attitude above shows that luck is far more important than skill or sportsmanship. Bounce or not, if you were hit off the break, your skills suck, you were beat, your opponnent is a better (maybe luckier) shot, and deserves to get an elimination.

Bounces don't get eliminations, breaks do. There's nothing wrong with continuing to play if a shot bounced. If you think just the fact that you were hit (break or not) should score an elinination, then go play airsoft. In paintball, only 1/4+ sized breaks count.

[Dryden]

Years ago, I got suckered out by two players on an opposing team. One hid in a bunker locked and loaded, while the other sat beside him puncturing 12 grams with a quick loader and letting them bleed.

I got my revenge on them a few weeks later by backing the 7oz bottle off my PMI-3, letting it make it's full-auto out-of-air sound, then giving it a quarter twist and laying into 'em in the open field.

[Fred]

My favorite method for cheating is using a pumpgun, which we all know shoots farther, and the next favorite is Aiming, which causes a lot more of my shots to hit my opponents and break... the fact they can't hit me when they're spraying proves that I'm cheating somehow.



---Fred

[Brophog]

Fred, Shhhhh.....

We don't want to give away ALL our secrets....

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by FallNAngel
Because 90% of the hits he takes off the break bounce, that means he's dishonest and has no integrity? I'm not quite following you here...

Originally posted by FallNAngel
If 90% of the time he takes hits off the break are bounces, then he shouldn't be making it to his bunker 10% of the time. Also, the ref can decide whether to call you neutral or not, I'm pretty sure just calling for a paintcheck does not make you neutral.

2002 Official NPPL Rules/http://www.paintballrefs.com/nppl_rules_2002.html
10.05. Players who are in motion while hit in obvious locations, which are easily verifiable, will immediately turn their motion away from the opposition, and stop.

So as soon as you feel that hit off the break you are required, BY THE RULES, to immediately stop and check. So, every time you are hit off the break, you should turn, move away, and check the hit. Meaning in the admitted case above, 90% of the time you would not reach your bunker and the opposition would get much further up field.

Now, the rules are unclear about what to do about the multiple hits in the back you are likely to suffer as you are stopped.....

But, if a ref were to watch you and see any bounces, and you failed to stop and check, you are by definition of the rules cheating and playing on.

2002 Official NPPL Rules/http://www.paintballrefs.com/nppl_rules_2002.html
10.06. Players with obvious hits in areas which are not easily verifiable, such as the back, may continue to play, but must immediately call on a teammate who can easily verify whether or not the paintball broke to indicate whether or not such player was eliminated. The teammate must respond immediately, and if the hit player was eliminated, he must cease play, signal his elimination and exit the field pursuant to the provisions of this Section 10.0. Failure to call on such teammate for verification or failure of such teammate to respond immediately constitutes playing on by the hit player. If no such teammate is available for verification, such player may continue to play, but must immediately call for a paintcheck by a field judge. Failure to call for such a paintcheck immediately will constitute playing on by such player.

That quote is for all those that wait for the refs to call them out. Even in the case of unobvious hit and a bounce you are likely to feel, you can be called for playing on simply for not calling for a paintcheck.

Originally posted by FallNAngel
Bounces don't get eliminations, breaks do. There's nothing wrong with continuing to play if a shot bounced. If you think just the fact that you were hit (break or not) should score an elinination, then go play airsoft. In paintball, only 1/4+ sized breaks count.

A bounce may not be an elimination, but failure to stop and check a bounce, or to call a paintcheck for difficult to check hits IS playing-on and does/should

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
So as soon as you feel that hit off the break you are required, BY THE RULES, to immediately stop and check. So, in 90% of the time when you are hit off the break, you should turn, move away, and check the hit. Meaning 90% of the you would not reach your bunker and the opposition would get much further up field.

Good, now what constitutes an obvious hit? 10.01 states:

Obvious hits are those which impact and break on easily observable places on the body or equipemtn being carried or those that have been felt by the player. A judge will dtermine whether a player felt a hit by where that paintball impacted his body and whether he reacted upon being hit.

Just because he was hit does NOT mean he is required to stop and check. 10.02 - 10.06 deal with obvious hits which have broken. Just because you're hit with a paintball does not mean you have to stop to check it per

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
Now, the rules are unclear about what to do about the multiple hits in the back you are likely to suffer as you are stopped.....

Well, as I said before, you wouldn't turn around and walk away just because you got a bounce. But if you did, those would be counted as an unobvious hit which is covered in 10.06 & 10.1

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
But, if a ref were to watch you and see any bounces, and you failed to stop and check, you are by definition of the rules cheating and playing on.

Nope. Now if it broke and you continued playing, yes, you're playing on. There is nothing in the rules that I see that says you have to check.

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
That quote is for all those that wait for the refs to call them out. Even in the case of unobvious hit and a bounce you are likely to feel, you can be called for playing on simply for not calling for a paintcheck.

I don't see where the rules say that you have to check a bounce.

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
A bounce may not be an elimination, but failure to stop and check a bounce, or to call a paintcheck IS playing-on and does equate to an elimination (two actually).

Actually, it'll be a one-for-one unless it gives the offending player's team an advantage which which case it's a 2 for one.