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  • Lohman446
    Useful posts: 7
    • Jun 2003
    • 9315

    #1

    Have we reached the pinnacle of markers

    I'm sure this question comes up from time to time, and those that say yes are proven wrong time and time again, but lets look at the newest things that could be added to paintball markers, are they even advantages. My ideas.

    Speed - this debate is always there, but have we reached the pinnacle of speed - I have some seen some reference to new trigger systems that put our double triggers to shame that could push usable BPS into the 30s somewhere. But have we reached the point that we can no longer gain tactically usable speed. BTW, there is some question if we did not already surpass any tactical advantage to speed increases.

    Loader placement - even with such things as warps and Q loaders it seems that many of us, myself included, are happy with that loader on top of a low rise. Backpack paint backs I think go over about as well as remote air systems, I just dont like all that cord, hose, whatever.

    Feed systems - ok, there's room for improvement, we have guns that can outshoot Halos, and if we are going to get in the 30s we need to improve these. However, two companies seem to have patent locked the market on loaders, so innovation will be slow.

    Efficiency - I am not talking 2000 shots off a 45/45 tank with this - I am talking a marker made so efficient that 12 grams come back into style. Is this even possible? Is it desirable or has the use of tanks as stocks made the "part" of the marker design itself. The efficiency differences today are so little that I dare call this field even for all useful purposes.

    Alternate air source - I keep coming back to this in theory, if it only takes 60PSI to fire a marker, can we not design some electrically powered "on board" mini compressor that does away with the need for compressed air. BTW, aside from convenience, I think in reality that the compressed air tanks are the most hazardous item in paintball today when used correctly.

    Reliability - when was the last time you saw a top notch marker down at the field. Yes, from time to time all markers have issues, some more than others, but I think that the reliability of all markers is rising, and mags (with level ten tuning issues) have there own quirks. The playing field is levelling here as well.

    Anti-chop systems - with both mechanical and ACE systems available to most high end guns... well they can be improved how much better can we get than the level 10 with virtually zero chops when set up right.

    Consistency - paint to barrel match? Frankly I can shoot within +/-5 over a chrono, consistent enough for all useful purposes.

    On board gadgets - with the exception of built in chronographs and self regulating speed systems, no. So I don't want to check my e-mail from the back stand up.

    I could be wrong, maybe there are no longer any performance advantages out there. This makes moving forward as a manufacturer harder, because now it will be the hype, the color, the looks that sell markers, and performance will be all the same, or so close as to make no difference. I am looking to answer the question, what is the next big improvement in paintball [Edit: MARKERS} - and its not an anno job.

    Yeh, I edited this on Mephs reply, because that brought up thigns, Im not talking rules, players, etc. I want to see what the next technological improvement looks to be.
    Last edited by Lohman446; 02-21-2004, 09:25 AM.
    "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess
  • Meph
    AO's Tippmann Guy
    • Aug 2002
    • 737

    #2
    What's the next big improvement in paintball?


    The OSC going nationwide.

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    • trains are bad
      Registered User
      • Oct 2003
      • 1751

      #3
      I think we should go to full auto with a BPS cap. *slips flame ring on*

      I mentioned that kinda loud at the tourney last weekend and got a lot of funny looks.
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      • temps
        starcraft?
        • Aug 2002
        • 546

        #4
        I think then next big thing in paintball will be... Bluetooth (or other form of) wireless networks in our paintball guns.

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        • mcveighr
          Registered User
          • Feb 2003
          • 861

          #5
          No one will be able to shoot 30 bps. Do you have any idea how fast that is?

          When your lightbulb is on, its actually turning on and off 60 times a second, maybe that'll help.

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          • Lohman446
            Useful posts: 7
            • Jun 2003
            • 9315

            #6
            Originally posted by mcveighr
            No one will be able to shoot 30 bps. Do you have any idea how fast that is?

            When your lightbulb is on, its actually turning on and off 60 times a second, maybe that'll help.
            I have no way to verify possibility numbers. Suffice it to say that I was told this number was conceivable, with a new trigger system, by a source that I have the utmost faith in. Eventually I could find the quote. But give the benefit of the doubt that it is possible, is there any tactical advantage, I don't think tactical advantage had much to do with anything past bout 12 or 15 BPS myself.
            "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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            • Brophog
              Registered User
              • Jan 2004
              • 346

              #7
              That's just semantics there. The real point is not whether we can hit X speed, but is X speed justifiable. I don't think at this point it is.

              At one time it might have been useful for super high efficiency, but we play in an age where most of us play at organized fields, with either HPA or CO2 fills available. Gone are the days of the backwoods, find your own air, bring your own paint private game. Those still exist, but its becoming rarer and rarer. Now, for the most part, you only need enough air to get your through the next game.

              Of course loader technology can still improve, and I would assume it would. We still havent deviated much from our modified oil container idea that started it all.

              Finally, we come to accuracy/range. This burden lies not with the marker, but with the ball. As we have discussed many times, the prospect is that little will be done to change from what we consider the norm today. Still, I see one of two things possibly happening. Either, the ball starts shrinking in the name of ball feed rates. OR, the ball starts getting bigger in the name of range/accuracy. Obviously, with the latter, we need to concentrate on what effect this will have on paintball force, and as such, we would need to modify our existing masks and clothing to compensate. However, with some of the clothing being worn now for "bounce" and overshooting protection, its not that big of a stretch of imagination to see such a thing occur.

              I think the bigger picture, is, why do any of this, except for the marketing needs of change? Constant Air, Semis (Electros), and hopper technology have all changed the way we played the game, atleast on the highest levels. So my question becomes, outside of marketing, is there anything that could be devoloped that would actually change the style of play as seen today? With marker speeds being what they are, and marker speeds dictating how the game is played, I don't see any technology that would change the game much.

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              • xmetal2001
                Junior Member at heart
                • May 2001
                • 1994

                #8
                Re: Have we reached the pinnacle of markers

                Originally posted by Lohman446

                On board gadgets - with the exception of built in chronographs and self regulating speed systems, no. So I don't want to check my e-mail from the back stand up.
                That is a great idea, im sure incredibly tough to implement but that would be amazing.

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                • Digits
                  Canuckle
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1329

                  #9
                  Originally posted by trains are bad
                  I think we should go to full auto with a BPS cap. *slips flame ring on*

                  I mentioned that kinda loud at the tourney last weekend and got a lot of funny looks.
                  '

                  full auto would take all the fun out of it.. Then everyone would just sit there holding down there trigger shooting 13+bps constantly, it would be really boring..

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                  • Heebs
                    Registered User
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 200

                    #10
                    "I am talking a marker made so efficient that 12 grams come back into style. Is this even possible?"

                    12 grams never went out of style, fat tanks just came in. 40-50 shots off a tweaked valve is pretty darn efficient.

                    Heebs - Official PhOG poser.

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                    • arsonpaintball06
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 653

                      #11
                      paintball is no where near its peak......they will keep coming out w/ new stuff till the sport dies........which will be never



                      Aim sn: Arsonpaintball06

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                      • Magglerock

                        #12
                        Accuracy, efficiency, and loading technology

                        are no where near their pinnicle. Accuracy on all modern markers suck, efficiency could always be better, and the blimps we stick on the top of our markers - you know, thos things that keep us from sighting down the barrel? - have only recently begun to advance.

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                        • Automaggin2
                          Registered User
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 2506

                          #13
                          I agree with that bluetooth comment. Theres nothing better then syncin up with your laptop on the field to download and chart your guns activities and to change the settings.
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                          • swanster
                            apple mac rocks
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 230

                            #14
                            if our guns ran on bluetooth couldn't they all be linked up to a laptop with a marshall somwhere and all settings of our marker would come up on the screen so they would know if we were sing full auto etc... if we had chronos in our guns they could permanantley moniter the fps of our guns. it would be kinda cool to go over to a marshall and see how much paint you shot, and the average fps of the guns and our average bps
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                            • Meph
                              AO's Tippmann Guy
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 737

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Digits
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                              full auto would take all the fun out of it.. Then everyone would just sit there holding down there trigger shooting 13+bps constantly, it would be really boring..
                              Right, like it's extremely exhilerating to watch the current versin of stalemation! Only difference from your version and the current one.... at least today they have to pull the trigger fast enough. Other than that sorry but games suck today.

                              People might rave about the 20 seconds that ARE enjoyable to watch, but I like to also remember that the other 4 minutes of boredom isn't exactly camera friendly.

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