Mardi Gras Riot in San Luis Obispo, CA...

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  • Kasper
    Problem Solver
    • Jan 2004
    • 41

    #46
    Okay, let's review:

    Alcohol is an inhibitor. That is to say, it alters your state of mind by numbing your senses, including your personal inhibitions (that little voice that says "No, that is wrong"). Alcohol does not MAKE you do something, it only lessens your cognitive ability to think rationally... It is not a crutch that can be used to justify or rationalize actions. And the "I was drunk" defense does not hold up in court.

    With parties you mix ONE brain numbing chemical with other brain numbing chemicals... teenage / early 20's testosterone... then multiply that by group peer pressure. Remember the person is smart, but people (in groups) are stupid. It's not easy to be a voice of reason among a situation that is spinning out of control. But if you are laughing, cheering, shouting, or even just "hanging out" while the crime is going down, you are contributing and are just as accountable as the others who are throwing the bottles. Once the police give an "Order to dispurse", and you disobey that... you're arrestable. There are specific criteria that the police follow when dealing with riots. If you were there after the police showed up to take control, and you chose to stick around... that was pretty stupid.

    As a human being you should know that damaging someone elses property is wrong. At least, you know when someone else damages YOUR property it's wrong. And you know that hurting people is wrong. Ignorance is also not an excuse. Not in court, and not in my book. Saying that The Police made the people riot is probably the most ignorant statement I have read on the board. It is not the first time I have heard that excuse, but that's all it is... an excuse. In America we live in a Blameless Society. Ever since the advent of the law suit, people have grown accustomed to placing blame on someone else and refusing to take responsibility for their actions.

    In terms of a Riot, let's talk about how this goes down. There are usually several groups of "peaceful partygoers", with a sprinkling of testosterone laden / alcohol charged idiots (usually male). The police will monitor the situation, and as long as things stay peaceful they will let the partying continue. At some point drunk male idiots grab girls, start fighting other people, damaging property, etc. Other idiots see these crimes happening and nothing's being done (500 people, 10 cops... can't catch 'em all) The sheep get some courage and start to join in. Eventually the crowd "Turns", and mob mentality takes over. Usually if the police can intervene and pull out the "leaders" (the ones who are vocal, inciting others to continue breaking the law) that visual is sobering to the crowd and they will become peaceful again. The problem is, you have to time it and coordinate it JUST right, and that is NOT easy to do.

    If order is restored, then partying continues and a few people go to jail. If others join in and start attacking the cops, the situation spins quickly and reinforcements are called in to FORCEFULLY restore order. The cops arrive, they will make announcements from a bull horn stating that they are going to take control of the area and everyone is ordered to leave. If you disobey those announcements... well, you're in for trouble.

    The bottom line is, there are consequences for our actions. If you cross the line and you get caught, then you pay the price. Don't go blaming the cops, judge, the government, the school, mommy and daddy for something that you knew all too well and good was wrong.

    As mentioned before, when you deal with an officer and you think the officer has done something wrong, you MUST obey the officer's lawful order AT THAT TIME. If you do not obey the order, then you are arrestable... end of story. Later, you may go and contact the department's watch commander and file a complaint. However, if you disobeyed the officer, then your complaint loses quite a bit of merit.

    Grow up. Stop blaming the cops for YOUR mistakes.
    "Stupidity will get you into trouble... pride will keep you there."

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    • wallace9111
      My Other Gun is Your Mom!
      • Sep 2002
      • 463

      #47
      Originally posted by SlartyBartFast

      Well, I don't see why I should expect much intelligence from some Yank who thinks destruction of public property and attacking the police are funny.

      As for America junior, don't make me laugh. What makes you think we want to be like you? You can take your manifest destiny crap and choke.

      And as for rioting for "real" reasons. You really don't get it do you? There isn't one single good reason to riot. Rioting is just mob terrorism.

      But then again I live in a place that can have gatherings of 100,000+ people in the city streets with liquor and beer being sold and never a violent incident.
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      • Kevmag
        Registered User
        • Feb 2002
        • 657

        #48
        Any news on if Cal Poly is going to cancel Poly Royale (Open House?)? They cancelled the gathering around '90 or '91 after a riot and didn't start it back up until '94.

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        • djslik
          Your Mom Goes To College
          • Dec 2003
          • 154

          #49
          I go to cal poly as well and was very surprised to see this posting. I was there during the mardi gras event and saw all of the law enforcement out there. Yes there were a lot of people there that night, but no most of them weren't causing any problems or even braking any property. The real problem started when the cops blocked off the major intersection and refused to let any one pass regardless of their reason, which bottle necked all of the people in the streets and increased the number of people in that location dramatically. The few excessively drunk particpants that decided to agitate the cops did so very well. So the cause of these so called riots was due in part to the crowd or let me rephrase certain individuals of the crowd. Now the cops had a chance to respond and it seemed to me they were more than willing to respond. I understand that they needed crowd control, but the horror stories I have heard from many, and I mean many, just didn't justify some of the law enforcements actions. Some people just wanted to leave and go home. The cops told them to leave the area, but as soon as they turned to walk away they get shot in the back, police officers shooting people in their own private balcony who were not doing anything wrong besides watching the chaos, police shooting rubber bullets and tear gas into privately owned residences, reports of a girls eye injury due to a police officers rubber bullet, a girl dragged by her hair for not running away fast enough, cops not letting people leave in a timely manner, my friend was tackled from behind while trying to leave. Now I can't say that the cops caused the riot but I think there were several instances of excessive force. I am leaving out many stories and more insulting details. The crowd of 5000 pales to the 40,000 in Santa Barbara for halloween this year. At least in Santa Barbara the police knew how to pick out the trouble makers and leave the somewhat more peaceful attendents alone. Thats just my two cents.
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          • SlartyBartFast
            The Flying Scotsman
            • Jun 2002
            • 2940

            #50
            Originally posted by wallace9111
            ... meaningless ramble snipped ...
            Goodness, your ignorance and stupidty really knows no bounds.

            Honestly, ad-hominem (you're a college boy, look it up) attacks just show how puny your intellectual take on this issue is.

            djslik, It sounds bad but second hand information is rarely fully accurate. As for private residences and balconies, I'd have thought the intelligent thing would be to get insdie and shut the windows and doors as soon as trouble like that starts.

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            • djslik
              Your Mom Goes To College
              • Dec 2003
              • 154

              #51

              This link is an article from the san luis obispo tribune. I agree that second hand accounts are not always the best sources for all information and I admit that I might have a little bias being part of the crowd for a little while. I just wanted to let the people on here commenting on the situation know a little bit more about what happened. It sounded like some people were on here just expressing opinions about the riot, but they had no real examples to reference their opinions on. But this topic can be debated to death, the truth will remain with the people who experienced it that night. Hopefully we can now get back to paintball. And Wallace...yea I have friends who go a lot and I just had a recent paintball trip for ASME. PM me and i'll give you my AIM name. We can probably play sometime.
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