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ULT = soft pull (long travel), however mucho chuff chuff
Hybrid mag concept = soft pull (micro travel), and a lot less chuff chuff
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the electrician wrote on 09-03-2003 07:52 PM:
The trigger pull is 1 mm and about 10 oz of force... so yeah it's short and pretty light. I'm trying to get it lighter.
No. I can't walk the trigger, but then again I don't like to shoot that way. It is however, almost impossible to short stroke it. It can out shoot the revvy in the right hands. The damn thing gets hot.
It's a mod that takes a mill and alot of patience to do. It's pretty simple really if you have the tools. the ASA is tapped to put the reg on the front, then a slot is milled in the body rail for th hose to travel to a micro 3-way behind the trigger. The air then goes to a small air ylinder which pulls the sear down off the bolt.
I think that new on/off design (ULT) might reduce the psi input into the valve, thereby reducing the trigger pull force a bit.
I'm working on a new design that is easier to build and works on a lower psi. and an electro version.
You know, a WGP hinge frame, with a bomb 4-way could produce a super light, 1 mm trigger pull for a mag that would be scary. That might be something to think about...
As you can read, it's an interesting concept that's been done before and has much potential beyond the ULT.
Now imagine if AGD actually pull their effort and brains into this??? Game over!
ULT = soft pull (long travel), however mucho chuff chuff
Hybrid mag concept = soft pull (micro travel), and a lot less chuff chuff
From the owner of:
the electrician wrote on 09-03-2003 07:52 PM:
The trigger pull is 1 mm and about 10 oz of force... so yeah it's short and pretty light. I'm trying to get it lighter.
No. I can't walk the trigger, but then again I don't like to shoot that way. It is however, almost impossible to short stroke it. It can out shoot the revvy in the right hands. The damn thing gets hot.
It's a mod that takes a mill and alot of patience to do. It's pretty simple really if you have the tools. the ASA is tapped to put the reg on the front, then a slot is milled in the body rail for th hose to travel to a micro 3-way behind the trigger. The air then goes to a small air ylinder which pulls the sear down off the bolt.
I think that new on/off design (ULT) might reduce the psi input into the valve, thereby reducing the trigger pull force a bit.
I'm working on a new design that is easier to build and works on a lower psi. and an electro version.
You know, a WGP hinge frame, with a bomb 4-way could produce a super light, 1 mm trigger pull for a mag that would be scary. That might be something to think about...
Originally posted by nicad
about a year ago I made a first version of this same thing.. but with a custom made 3-way..
pull was ~0.5mm and wieght was ~2-3oz. however it didnt have fast enough fireing rate.
Iv since been working on a new prototype snap 3-way that should be the answer. if all goes well itll all be a drop-in mod for existing grips.
time will tell..
about a year ago I made a first version of this same thing.. but with a custom made 3-way..
pull was ~0.5mm and wieght was ~2-3oz. however it didnt have fast enough fireing rate.
Iv since been working on a new prototype snap 3-way that should be the answer. if all goes well itll all be a drop-in mod for existing grips.
time will tell..
Originally posted by nicad
latest prototype 3-way valve is 2.5oz pull weight and 0.003" stroke. (yes thats 1/13 of a mm)
ofcourse real-world application will have to be more than that to cover for reliability and variances..
hooraa!
latest prototype 3-way valve is 2.5oz pull weight and 0.003" stroke. (yes thats 1/13 of a mm)
ofcourse real-world application will have to be more than that to cover for reliability and variances..
hooraa!
Originally posted by nicad
OK yall i have a working prototype trigger on a gun now.
some specs-
trigger pull weight(at lightest setting): 2.0oz
trigger stroke distance: ~0.010"
ROF: tested/verified at 20.4bps.
I personally can pull a verfied ~14.5bps.
this is NOT an electrical trigger. it is mechanical. no more batteries. no more smartparts.
drop by the AGD booth at Worldcup to check it out (if its not broken yet).
attached is a soundclip of it doing 20.4bps. yes its "full auto". the trigger is physically being pulled by an air ram driven by a Race board. some say that means nothing. I say it means its a mechanical gun capable of hitting 20bps with the feel of an electro-trigger.
http://www.deadlywind.com/hAir/hAir ...20bbps max.wav
OK yall i have a working prototype trigger on a gun now.
some specs-
trigger pull weight(at lightest setting): 2.0oz
trigger stroke distance: ~0.010"
ROF: tested/verified at 20.4bps.
I personally can pull a verfied ~14.5bps.
this is NOT an electrical trigger. it is mechanical. no more batteries. no more smartparts.
drop by the AGD booth at Worldcup to check it out (if its not broken yet).
attached is a soundclip of it doing 20.4bps. yes its "full auto". the trigger is physically being pulled by an air ram driven by a Race board. some say that means nothing. I say it means its a mechanical gun capable of hitting 20bps with the feel of an electro-trigger.
http://www.deadlywind.com/hAir/hAir ...20bbps max.wav
Originally posted by nicad
An Xvalve with ULT in it is a nice mechanical.. but still very much no mistaking its mechanical. the ULT does not shorten the trigger pull, but it lowers the pull weight down to around 16oz i think??
you can put a cocker/Clippard/etc 3way in a mag frame and make a nice trigger pull as well.
What iv done is developed a hybrid 3-way specifically for this application and yes it is 2oz pull weight and ~.004" travel (thats 0.1mm). Most electro triggers, even some "tuned" ones, have a longer/harder pull. When you say "rip".. you mean shoot fast? cause it does.. and with little effort. I can "two-finger-tap" the trigger up to around 14-15bps.
I havent been saying too much about the project due to some protection processes and some coming work that ill be doing with some companies with it in the near future... and im not just blowing smoke here either.
out!
An Xvalve with ULT in it is a nice mechanical.. but still very much no mistaking its mechanical. the ULT does not shorten the trigger pull, but it lowers the pull weight down to around 16oz i think??
you can put a cocker/Clippard/etc 3way in a mag frame and make a nice trigger pull as well.
What iv done is developed a hybrid 3-way specifically for this application and yes it is 2oz pull weight and ~.004" travel (thats 0.1mm). Most electro triggers, even some "tuned" ones, have a longer/harder pull. When you say "rip".. you mean shoot fast? cause it does.. and with little effort. I can "two-finger-tap" the trigger up to around 14-15bps.
I havent been saying too much about the project due to some protection processes and some coming work that ill be doing with some companies with it in the near future... and im not just blowing smoke here either.
out!
Originally posted by Punisher
Hi guys,
Jack & Coke told me there was a thread here about the PneuMag so I thought I'd pop in.
The one displayed in my gallery was built to the customer's specs: He wanted a slide trigger and front mounted pneumatics so that's what he got.
I built the ram to suit, it's got a grand total throw of 3/16" when running free. It runs at 45psi. I do wish I'd had an E-mag sear when I built it originally, t'would have made things easier.
I've since redesigned the conversion for a couple reasons. Directly linking to the sear is a pain in the butt and seems to cause some some wear and consistency issues. My new layout is pneumatic but has NO RAM. Wrap your brains around that.....hehehehehe.
Also, for you home builder types...a little hint that some may not want you to have. most every solenoid valve out there that's used in current paintball guns has a mechanical counterpart. Basically the same valve section but no electric coil. These puppies have ridiculously short throws and switch VERY quickly. A very good way to get that ultra short trigger pull. One should consider though that you need a certain amount of hysteresis or hold up for the close time. A trigger pull that's too short on a marker of this nature will make it tough to cycle smoothly.
So far the best over all results have been with one a couple setups.
1) Hinge frame (your choice) and Shockteck Bomb or similar 3-ring 4-way valve. With and Eclipse hinge and bomb I've tuned for a 2mm pull that allowed enough hold up to cycle smooth and consistent.
2) Mag spec Dye single trigger frame and mechanical version of the Humphrey's 401 valve. I had an adjustable linkage on this setup that allowed trigger throw from a baseline of 1.775mm down to a ridiculous .53mm!
I'll have to go back and read tis whole thread when I get a chance, looks like a good one!
Hi guys,
Jack & Coke told me there was a thread here about the PneuMag so I thought I'd pop in.
The one displayed in my gallery was built to the customer's specs: He wanted a slide trigger and front mounted pneumatics so that's what he got.
I built the ram to suit, it's got a grand total throw of 3/16" when running free. It runs at 45psi. I do wish I'd had an E-mag sear when I built it originally, t'would have made things easier.
I've since redesigned the conversion for a couple reasons. Directly linking to the sear is a pain in the butt and seems to cause some some wear and consistency issues. My new layout is pneumatic but has NO RAM. Wrap your brains around that.....hehehehehe.
Also, for you home builder types...a little hint that some may not want you to have. most every solenoid valve out there that's used in current paintball guns has a mechanical counterpart. Basically the same valve section but no electric coil. These puppies have ridiculously short throws and switch VERY quickly. A very good way to get that ultra short trigger pull. One should consider though that you need a certain amount of hysteresis or hold up for the close time. A trigger pull that's too short on a marker of this nature will make it tough to cycle smoothly.
So far the best over all results have been with one a couple setups.
1) Hinge frame (your choice) and Shockteck Bomb or similar 3-ring 4-way valve. With and Eclipse hinge and bomb I've tuned for a 2mm pull that allowed enough hold up to cycle smooth and consistent.
2) Mag spec Dye single trigger frame and mechanical version of the Humphrey's 401 valve. I had an adjustable linkage on this setup that allowed trigger throw from a baseline of 1.775mm down to a ridiculous .53mm!
I'll have to go back and read tis whole thread when I get a chance, looks like a good one!
As you can read, it's an interesting concept that's been done before and has much potential beyond the ULT.
Now imagine if AGD actually pull their effort and brains into this??? Game over!
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