mags slowly getting a good rep again?

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by Rope a Dope
Sure they were, until the announcment to not sell electors anymore.

One step forward, two steps back.

I actually don't mind the announcement. I'd rather have them hold off on a new marker then produce it, get sued by SP, and end up having to close the doors to pay those SOB's. They instead are gonna try to rely on the Mech market which has supported them several times over and still isn't going anywhere. People know the quality of mags and still buy Mechanical versions. Electro's aren't everything in paintball. I will agree with the fact that the announcement probably didn't help them any but I'll wait til they annouce they are closing shop in paintball before I count them out. After all they left the sport for a couple years and came back with full force and people noticed. So all I say is don't count them out yet.

[punkncat]

My RTpro never fails to gain attention anywhere I go.
No one seems to pay too much attention at first , but after a few games people want to see it and ask about it.
I have yet to recieve a negative comment.

[RtDaNiMaL]

i dont know....
it is well growing even though i told a kid i had an automag and he asked if it was made for full auto. i told him no it is air gun designs and he thought it was an air soft gun.
lol stupid newbies

[member#10,261]

hey...that was ME










only not

[Flossabe]

Lower Pressure

They will just have to modify the valve design to run off of a lower pressure if they want to fix the air hog issue, but I have never realy minded having to refill.

[Chojin Man]

I thought the whole point of the high pressure was to recharge the valve as fast as possible, by opening up the tank full force straight into the valve.

If you make it low pressure wont that just slow it down?

[Brophog]

Its that great low pressure myth again...

Sure funny my phantom runs at 800 psi, yet is one of the more efficient markers of any kind out there.....must be magic!!

[SpecialBlend2786]

I just met a guy who used to play for Chronic the other day, and he was talking about how he'd owned tons of guns, but had never owned a mag, even though he had always wanted one.

[jang00n]

no

[FreakBaller12]

Well if everyone were to suddenly give up their preconcieved notions of what is good and bad about a paintgun then this is what we could do NOW.

Run guns at much HIGHER pressures so you could make all the internal components smaller and more compact. This would lead to overall smaller guns with better efficiency.

Better efficiency means smaller tanks making the guns lighter and smaller overall.

Built in crono's that maintain your velocity at exactly what you set it to even when your tank starts running below your working pressure. This would mean that even though you we shooting a "high pressure" marker you would use it to the bottom of the tank. In order to do this you would have to have a fixed barrel but since everyone has to waist money on replacable barrels this thinking would have to change.

Trigger systems that would accomodate ALL of your fingers for "4 finger walking" pushing the fire power into the 30 BPS range.

Pre-load bolt systems that chamber the next round while you are firing the first elliminating ball feed lag.

Pressure feeding loaders that feed balls from anywhere into your flamethrower. OOPS we already have that, Warp Feeds....

Electronically timed millisecond on/off valves that would completely eliminate regulators. Lets see, we can take off the tank reg, then the vert reg and oh yea the LPR too. You would have to be ready to put all those manufacturers out of business.

Very high speed two shot bursts where the 2nd ball would draft close behind the first ball for greater accuracy. The first ball would disrupt the air column and leave behind a turbulent wake. The turbulence would disrupt the laminar flow that leads to vortex shedding on the 2nd ball. Disrupt the vortex and improve the accuracy.

No real gun with any state of the art firepower shoots from a clip. Clips are so 1900's. Real guns in all the worlds militaries use a belt feed from a huge magazine. We still love our cute little pods and hoppers and fashion matched pod belts so we look good when we are posing on the field. Maybe someday we will get with the program and use a backpack that could shoot a case of paint non stop. Oh yea, we have that right now too but no one wants it.

And last but not lease an electronically timed, high pressure marker without regulators could plug into a laptop, test itself and tell you exactly what's wrong with it.

This is just one possible reality, most likely not to be part of any of your futures. Have fun with your pods.

AGD

I'd figure everybody might to see this, especially how using High pressure bottles until they're empty

It's from this thread

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124336&highlight=future

[Gabriel]

I dont know. I didnt read the whole thread because, quit frankly, there have been several like this. And that'S ok. But god forbid somebody post multiple threads about something else. And let me emphasise I like mags. I like them alot. And I LOVE AO. With that out of the way, I get to speak my mind on a free concience(sp?).

Just as much as I hate it when people talk down about mags, I hate it that people talk them up. Mags are a tool, just like a hammer. One hammer is not better than another hammer in anything that materials. The use is the same. This holds true with paintball guns, except 'materials' cn mean:

1)actual materials
2)efficiency
3)weight
4)ease of high-rate-fire

And that's it. # 2 is irrelevant to those who live with all-day-air. # 3 is only important for weenies and tourney players. # 4 is total hogwash, as everybody'S body mechanics work differently. and # 1 is about weight (aka, # 3), propellant (co2 or n2), and strength. After that it is complete preference. So how is one gun better than the other. TEY ARENT. You can like one gun better, but that doesnt make it better. Just like we dont like it when some guy who likes cockers better than mags and say they are better, we shouldnt say that mags are better simply because we prefer them. ARGHHHH!!!

Ok, sorry for the rant, and I am sorry if this offends anybody, but it is time for the ignorance (from ALL sides) to stop.

Gabe

P.S. this doesnt have anything to do with the absolute first post, rather the conversation in the next 3 or 4, after which I stopped reading.

[Gabriel]

P.S.

hehe...

I would like to see an auto-cocking AGD gun. Not a cocker clone, more like the blazer.

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by toyotaboy12


I'd figure everybody might to see this, especially how using High pressure bottles until they're empty

It's from this thread
http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...ghlight=future

Bwahahaha... I never saw that thread, but man, the attitude in that almost looks like something I would have posted. Except of course if I had posted it, the AO sycophants probably would have been all over me.

The air efficiency is OK for your standard player nowadays, since the technology for air capacity has been pushed forward by all the psychos who demand the ability to unload an entire case of paint during one game.

Given that most of us agree that the gas-hog thing isn't that much of an issue, there must be some other barrier to the Automag's acceptance as a major mainstream gun, considering it's exceptional performance in all other areas. I'm still waiting for ERut's response on this one, but I'm still sticking to the cost issue first and foremost. At the very least, I'll go into a paintball shop and see the one mag on the wall. I call it the "token mag". And that token mag usually has an abnormally high price tag.

Maybe second in line is actually availability, and this isn't necessarily a fault or drawback of the gun, but perhaps merely a result of my first point. And I'm not talking about availability for purchase. I think most people just never get the chance to shoot or actually play a few games with a mag, or actually take one down and clean it to really know what the mag's about. Or, in the shop example, the shop clerk probably wouldn't know anything about the "token mag", which has probably been hanging on the wall longer than he's been working there. From a distance, they all do the same thing -- pull a trigger, ball shoots out the front, repeat ad nauseum.

[ERut]

Originally posted by GoatBoy
Given that most of us agree that the gas-hog thing isn't that much of an issue, there must be some other barrier to the Automag's acceptance as a major mainstream gun, considering it's exceptional performance in all other areas. I'm still waiting for ERut's response on this one, but I'm still sticking to the cost issue first and foremost. At the very least, I'll go into a paintball shop and see the one mag on the wall. I call it the "token mag". And that token mag usually has an abnormally high price tag.

I'm talking used mags, not new, and definitely not at a store. Of course that might be because the store closest to me is Bob Longs, where they charge 500 for a bare bones mini-mag.

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by ERut


I'm talking used mags, not new, and definitely not at a store. Of course that might be because the store closest to me is Bob Longs, where they charge 500 for a bare bones mini-mag.

Heh, well, in my instance, it was a used mag, albeit in a store.

Used mags are still expensive by comparison, used or new, in any place you look really. I was just looking over ebay, and I can back this up. If you point me to any for sale area, I can probably back this statement up. You have to be fair about what markers you compare mags to in their respective price categories. The mag occupies a rather wide spectrum in the marker area, from the low barebones classic mag to the high end X-Mag. At the low used end, the end you're talking about, it's spyders, tippmanns (and related blowbacks) and cockers, with cockers being abnormally expensive in some cases due to myth and foolishness.