AGD new marker rumor

[arsonpaintball06]

cant wait till we get a post from TK tellin us that AGD has sumthin new brewin.....we will have to all sit in suspense i guess

[vf-xx]

Originally posted by Mossman
All of you ignoramuses blabbering about how the only way mags will have good pulls is with an overly complicated pneumatic system need to shoot a well tuned X-valve with ULT.

Maybe something like that would use less air and at lower pressure to activate the on/off, thus giving the mag more shots per pull, but I have not experienced any pull better than the pull on my ULT'ed Xvalve'd Logic'ed mag It's to die for and fun to shoot...to boot.

I know the feeling. I have a ULT in my RTP and It's just as good as my Emag without the weight.

[nicad]

Originally posted by Mossman
All of you ignoramuses blabbering about how the only way mags will have good pulls is with an overly complicated pneumatic system need to shoot a well tuned X-valve with ULT.

I usually don't reply to things like this... but... I couldn't resist.
ignoramuses?
blabbering?


"shoot a well tuned X-valve with ULT."
lets compaire the two.
wait.
there is no comparison.

have you seen or shot my "overly complicated pneumatic system"?



exactly.

out!

[Mossman]

Originally posted by nicad

I usually don't reply to things like this... but... I couldn't resist.
ignoramuses?
blabbering?


"shoot a well tuned X-valve with ULT."
lets compaire the two.
wait.
there is no comparison.

have you seen or shot my "overly complicated pneumatic system"?



exactly.

out!

Nicad I've never dissed your system I'd never diss any of your work. blabbering is a word. So is ignoramus but it's probably not spelled that way

I wasn't bad mouthing the pneumatic trigger, I was bad mouthing the same people who were raving about ULT 3 months ago saying that mag triggers suck today

No matter how nice your system is I doubt I can shoot it noticably faster than my gun. I can shoot great electro triggers 16-17bps (according to the board) and I can probably shoot my ULT 15. it's a negligable difference.

Once again nicad, don't get my wrong, if you sold your system I'm sure I'd buy it but AO is the biggest bunch of hypocritical zealots ever who take back what they said 3 months ago all the time because the trends are different. What is this the timmy owner's group

[Mossman]

last thing nicad...my responses weren't just to posts in this thread but in posts all over. I don't know how your trigger feels and i don't know how simple or complicated it is. The fact of that matter is that I think AGD has a great product out now, and the people saying that AGD absolutely needs a pnuematic trigger system to catch up haven't shot your thing yet either. Most of them are probably thinking of the cocker-mag clone pun made which I'm sure shoots nothing like a nice ULT with just a hint of reactiveness

Cheers mate, Whether you like me or not, this blabbering ignoramus will run his slow butt to the front of the line to buy your trigger system once it's unveiled if it looks as cool as you're making it seem. It might not be necessary but I'm a sucker for coolness

[nicad]

no worries..
now back to the rumor mill!

[edweird]

colin to beat anyone to a bloody pulp when you mention warp sluggos :P


/runs like hell

[AGD]

I really like Nicad's trigger and yes we are interested in it. I have a different approach that doesn't need the LPR so all things being equal I would rather not add another reg.

The big issue with a light weight mech trigger is not the trigger. The problem is that all the electros get their incredible firing rates from switch bounce, not finger pulls. My opinion is that an incredible mech trigger would still be blown off because it couldn't put out the paint like a cheater board.

If tournament rules would really stick to one shot per pull.... Oh Baby it would be an new day!

AGD

[lamby]

this is not entirely true.

You can get a an insane rate of fire from having a trigger that is so light with such little movement causes the recoil to make it fire again. I can do this with the e-class with no problem, because 1: the e-class trigger is the shiznit (good for the cocker) and 2: there is more recoil on a cocker than an e-mag (good for the e-mag)

If I lightly pull the trigger on the cocker with my tpul and trel both set to 4 the marker reactive, but capable of only shooting one ball when I want to. It will never fire twice if there is no gas on it so the trigger is not bouncing at all. Since the e-frame uses photo interupters there is no "bounce" but I can get the trigger down to almost no travel to fire and release. causing insane fire when you include recoil.

I like the e-triggers for one reason only pull tension and travel. you make a manual like that that is easy to adjust for my liking and easy to service I would be interested. but it would have to be as cheap or cheaper than the electro versions

[Rope a Dope]

There are two kinds of bounce.

1. Comes from the noise on a microswitch. With a microswitch it is never on and then off when it breaks the circuit. It is more like on-on-on-off-on-off-on-off-off-off. That in between noise gets counted as a shot by the board, and new boards like WAS boards will buffer that as a pull. Keep doing that when you walk the trigger and you'll hit a consistent 20+bps until you stop pulling the trigger. So you pull it 10 times a second and you'll get an extra 5 or 6 registered pulls on the board.

Optical triggers took care of that "problem" (depending on how ya look at it), but then comes the other kind of bounce.

2. Like described in the post above is actually bouncing it. Tiny trigger pull and the recoil of the gun and the trigger bounces. E-Blades are notorious for this. Cockers don't really have a hard recoil, it sorta rocks back and forth, hold your finger just right and it will rock back and forth into full auto.

I'm used to pulling the trigger FAST on my E-Mag, but when I pick up a WAS'd Viking... whew.. gotta admit I get a thrill from it

So Tom... next electro, "kick an old school" and put in a cheap $2 microswitch instead of your highly superior HES trigger and what not, market wants the bounce... give the market bounce. With companies like SP always getting their way, why hold onto morals?

[Ityl]

My brother has told me that, atleast in NPPL, the refs are chronoing the markers and if it bounces you have to play without a gun. They are tuning all the guns so there is no chance of a bounce, which is hard with a cocker eblade that has all the moving parts/weight.

I don't get how this bounce is even allowed. The Shocker Turbo was made illegal in tournies years ago and all this debounce is is an adjustable form of it. I shot a NYX Matrix a couple weeks ago and could barely get it to only fire one ball. I think it's ridiculous that it has come this far. Hence, one of the many reasons I don't play paintball anymore.

[FlashTX]

All this techy stuff just gave me a headache...neato info, but confusing as all get out (did I just say that? I've been in Texas WAY too long).

Anyways...I play scenario games and tournies...I need a paintball gun that can take a beating, shoot as fast as all get out ( ) and still work in the rain or after I dive into a mud puddle. If AGD can PLEASE make a pure pnuematic gun capable of keeping up with those crazy "machine guns"...I know a team that'd be ALL OVER them!

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by AGD


I really like Nicad's trigger and yes we are interested in it...

Originally posted by AGD


...I have a different approach that doesn't need the LPR so all things being equal I would rather not add another reg...

Originally posted by AGD


The big issue with a light weight mech trigger is not the trigger. The problem is that all the electros get their incredible firing rates from switch bounce, not finger pulls. My opinion is that an incredible mech trigger would still be blown off because it couldn't put out the paint like a cheater board.

Originally posted by AGD


If tournament rules would really stick to one shot per pull.... Oh Baby it would be an new day!

AGD

[trains are bad]

I'm happy with how fast Mech mags are now.

[LudavicoSoldier]

When exactly did the one shot per pull rule go extinct? Or is it still a rule, but not enforced, due to tourny ball being sponsored by alot of these manufacturers? GAH! Whats the point of having rules if noone enforces them. I mean, we cant choose which laws to obey, they all apply, all the time. Why should rules be any different?

I seriously think that the biggest problem in paintball is not Smart Parts (as much as we like to rail on them), but a complete lack (or want) of any sort of rules, because obviously rules are not for "winners". I can't stand that Bob Long is using WAS boards in his guns, when they have been proven to be cheater boards. Tourny organizers need to step up to the plate and lay the smackdown. LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD!

/end rant


edit: Absolute power corrupts absolutely