Carbon Fiber

[StickFigurSicide]

if you made valves and tanks out of it...it would make the mostefficient, consistant accurate marker EVER!!! ...... carbon fiber also, if machined right can flex

ok, first off I want to see how you would make a valve out of carbon fiber that can withstand 850psi directly (all carbonfiber HPA tanks have an aluminum lining, so dont use that as an explanation). And you cannot machine carbon fiber like you can aluminum.

Also, id like to see how you'd get it to hold threads

-edit- spelling

[kauai_paintball]

Ok, you dont HAVE to have a cover on a carbon tank. carbon gass tanks are exposed to all kinds of heat in excess of 100 degrees, and also icy weather. they dont need covers. and, what tolerance issues. your not supposed to use co2 in automags anyways. HPA is consistant, and will not expose it to any extreme temperature changes. also, inside the fibers, if you want it stonger, you could weave it out of extremely thin steel threads, or, spiderwebs, beause they are more resistant than steel. althought they use synthetic spider webs in carbon fiber anyways. im not sure about the temperatures associated with nitro though. if its liquid nitrogen, then i still dont think there will be a problem. its not like bodyparts are meant to be bent anyways, all it could do is make it temporarily more rigid. althugh gastanks arent meant to be under pressure, they make they make high pressure NOS tanks out of CF.(and to all you people, NOS ISNT FLAMMABLE) and the valve dosent have to be CF, it can be aluminum.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

How are you going to get the aluminum lining in the carbon fibre? Your not. You would have to have two halves put together. And there is no good realiable long lasting way to do this. All I can htink if is aluminum lining, carbon fibre layer, an outer casing. But with that outer casing you just lost all the light weightness of the tank. It just wont happen with carbon fibre any time soon. Unless AGD comes up with something?

[AkumA]

http://thecog.bizland.com/custom/g10_cocker.htm

carbon fiber G10 Cocker by K&P customs.

it can be done, just need someone with the dough.

[kauai_paintball]

Unless AGD comes up with something?

EXACTLY , i dont have the brains or resourses to make carbon fibre stufff, but i Do have the brains to tell someone who dose about it. also, carbon fibre is like baked carbon fibers coated with resin, you can make a thin lining out of aluminum, and then wrap it with damp carbon fibre and bake it. it isnt baked hot enough to effect the aluminum, but it cures the fibre. just repeat this like 10 time, so you have 10 layers of carbon fibre, and one layer of aluminum, with small layers of resin in between. then just add a aluminum valve and adapter. simplistic. carbon is "machined right" by bakeing long enough, and then reshaping, bake, reshape, bake shap, etc, like a blacksmith shop. ive seen aluminum barrels heavier, and longer, and more expensive then the stiffi barre,(like, the freak barrel, or whatever) and the stiffi is lighter, quieter, and more accurate. so carbon might just be less expensive. more man hours, but you dont need to buy any expensive molds, unless, like the barrel, it has to be super straight. the ovens are kinda pricey, but once you have one, no more cost exept fo the electricity. relatively inexpensive to make too.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

That us true. But the St!iffe is about 130 for a single barrel. You could get a small kit for less. The freak is a kit and that makes sense. But we will just have to see.

[Morally0Confused]

i had carbonfiber barrel on my tippmann
it snapped

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Actually, carbon fiber tanks are incased in glass, hence the need to cover it. duh.

CF is most certainly the best material to make a barrel with. It is so light, you really cant feel it in your hand, and they shoot amazingly well. I just shot my Stiffi today, and its accuracy was unbelievable.

[mcveighr]

TOLERENCES

Nobody has said anything about this.

[afrankart]

I don't think you could find someone to make you a carbon fiber ULE body for less than $500. It is horrendous to machine, all threaded areas would have to be sleeved with aluminum, and any area of it that has been machined would have to be re-coated to give it that glossy look, throwing off all of the tolerances. Although it is so much "stronger" and lighter than aluminum and steel, it is also more brittle, and scratches easier (than steel anyways). That is just the body. I can't even imagine how much a whole marker would cost (assuming someone could do it), letalone one that has "glow in the dark" threads.

I would love to feel how much kick any marker has when the whole setup weighs only 2 lbs including paint and air. That would be horrible.

The verdict: A nearly unobtainable goal that is poorly thought out.

[GoatBoy]

I think it's not practical for the main body. The mag's main body is already very small. If the body were larger, like, say, for that cocker, or any other doublestack with an annoyingly large mainbody (which I guess applies to all doublestacks in my book), it might have something to it.


I will have to say that I would second the notion for a CF intelliframe. I'll be the one to say it; I think the intelliframe is comparatively heavy. Just make it out of the same stuff as the original gripframe. That'd be great.

[kauai_paintball]

you see, the entirely CF gun was just an idea, but not practical. what i was meaning, was that you could make small things out of it, example, a 68 classic with a dye 14 inch barrel, intelliframe and x valve would be close to(approx, weighing my friends) 5-7 punds. if you swap the intelliframe matrials fr CF, thers probably a pund of weight savings, than the valve would be maybe a few ounces, and the barrel at least a poun. there, about (approx) 100$, and youve turned a 5-7 pound marker into a 2-4 pound marker. just small accesorys, like the sight rail too, and the feed tube and MAYBE a carbon core delrin bolt. if accessorys had a CF option, then people who focused on weight could pay there extra 20-50$ and get something remarkably lighter. a blue shift knob in a car mag, is about 30$, while a real carbon fibre one of the same model would be 40$

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by kauai_paintball
you see, the entirely CF gun was just an idea, but not practical. what i was meaning, was that you could make small things out of it, example, a 68 classic with a dye 14 inch barrel, intelliframe and x valve would be close to(approx, weighing my friends) 5-7 punds. if you swap the intelliframe matrials fr CF, thers probably a pund of weight savings, than the valve would be maybe a few ounces, and the barrel at least a poun. there, about (approx) 100$, and youve turned a 5-7 pound marker into a 2-4 pound marker. just small accesorys, like the sight rail too, and the feed tube and MAYBE a carbon core delrin bolt. if accessorys had a CF option, then people who focused on weight could pay there extra 20-50$ and get something remarkably lighter. a blue shift knob in a car mag, is about 30$, while a real carbon fibre one of the same model would be 40$

I dunno. It doesn't sound quite as simple as a shifter knob. It's NOT going to be cheap for what you get (time is money, you know). You know, moving parts, metal inserts... And what do you get? Let's see...

When you say 5-7 pounds, what are you including in that 5-7 pounds? Hopper? Nitro tank?

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123337&highlight=weight

ULE automag is roughly 2.5 pounds in that configuration. That's including unimount, vertical adapter, foregrip, hose/fittings, and all the metal screws.



If you're talking about 2-4 pounds for the gun alone, like in this picture, then this exercise is already over...

[nerobro]

That cocker body isn't carbon fiber. But tha'ts something that has been covered many times.

Building a carbon fiber mag body would be dead simple. And even relitively cheap. when I do finally get a lathe, I'll be happy to make carbon fiber bodies.

Making carbon fiber frames... is another story entirely. that would require several hours of labor PER FRAME. we're talking mid 3 digits per frame. but they could be made disgustingly light.

[GT]

comment on weight....

2 things to consider
1. weight of setup
2. weight location

rememeber mags, typically, are alittle back heavy. So give that you make the gun just alitle lighter its going to tip back.



Tuna is currnetly building an RTP custom for me. Once I get it I will installed a milled ULE am/mm rail and have the intelli grap removed from the Y. I can easly see a sub 2lbs gun with the stiff barrel I just ordered. my last am was right at 2lbs w/o a ule rail and barrel.

So it begs to be asked how light do you honestly think we can get a mag using CF? I think there are only 2 places we can stand to lose somemore weight the valve and trigger frame. The valve, out of Ti, aint gonna happen maybe the trigger frame but who knows...