BPS Bet?

[rdb123]

Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447742&perpage=21&pagenumber=1

The guy doesn't allow raking because it is a"not legal" method of firing a paintball marker. The basic idea is if you can send in a video of yourself doing a sustained 15bps throughout 10 seconds, he'll give you 100 bucks.

[phantomhitman]

lol, all of those people saying i can do it but never post anything to prove it. what babies If I was able to do that I would jump all over it just to get an easy $100. oh well.

[xen_100]

and how are they going to prove the person didn't use a cheater board, or turbo, reactive mode or other things that will give you alot higher ROf than your finger. I can get 15 BPS on my spyder NO problem for the 20 seconds it takes to empty my hopper, if it is set to turbo. on regular semi, I can hit 15 now and then, but not for a sustained 10 seconds.

[personman]

If fanning counts, and I dont see anything against it in the rules, then I could have a fair shot at this, but to be honest, I dont have the time, air, or patience to do this. It's kind of sad how lazy I've gotten.

[yeahthatsme]

i dont get why raking isnt allowed, some people actually rake in-game, he shouldnt count that out.

[soccer4minimags]

The people who just shot that deadly wind mag video should try this.

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by xen_100
and how are they going to prove the person didn't use a cheater board, or turbo, reactive mode or other things that will give you alot higher ROf than your finger.

Because you have to show before you shoot the 15bps sustained that it's not in an illegal mode...

Originally posted by xen_100
I can get 15 BPS on my spyder NO problem for the 20 seconds it takes to empty my hopper, if it is set to turbo.

A) I highly doubt you have a 300 round hopper
B) If it takes you 20 seconds to empty a hopper when it's in turbo, you have other problems.

Originally posted by xen_100
on regular semi, I can hit 15 now and then, but not for a sustained 10 seconds.

...which is what you're supposed to be proving... 15bps sustained in semi only mode.

Originally posted by yeahthatsme
i dont get why raking isnt allowed, some people actually rake in-game, he shouldnt count that out.

Well, it says on the site that he can change the rules... even after you've sent him the video. So... if you did prove him wrong, he could just say "well, you were walking with 2 fingers... I want to see someone do it with 1 finger" and not send you the money. He also gets exclusive rights to the video you send him.

[RRfireblade]

His rules are quite clear as is his intent.

The exclusion rule is simply to cover him for any unforseen "cheating" that goes against the 'spirit' of the bet.

Which is simple.

"Can you legally 'pull'(he allows walking)a sustained 15bps minimum ROF on a legally setup marker."

Not "how can I cheat my way into $100.

So far the answer in the form of proof from the Paintball community is......"NO". :)

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
The exclusion rule is simply to cover him for any unforseen "cheating" that goes against the 'spirit' of the bet.

...so how does raking against the spirit of the bet? It's a perfectly legal method of pulling the trigger, he just doesn't want to send someone $100. It also *has* to be on VHS tape, he gets rights to the video and he can change the rules at any time... I'm not surprised no one has "won" the bet.

[personman]

Raking isnt really 'pulling' the trigger. Its more like rubbing the trigger, and it doesnt require much effort at all to do. That's just my oppinion though.

[FallNAngel]

ahh... so the bet isn't whether someone can legitimately shoot 15bps sustained... it's whether or not someone can legitimately shoot a sustained 15bps under harder conditions. Face it, raking may not be the most accurate way to pull the trigger, but it works and it's a legitimate way to pull the trigger. What, if someone fans the trigger and pulls it off is he going to disallow that because it's "not in the spirit of the bet" ?!

[yaddatrance]

Heh, I thought it'd be an easy 100 bucks, but I'm trying and failing, I can walk sustained at 15+ for up to 3 seconds and then my fingers get sore, like a real *deep* ache and I'm forced to slow down... Interesting note, I ramp up after a 1/2 a second and can keep it for almost a second before my rate falls off, and then after 2 seconds it's a sheer effort of willpower to keep going.

I'd bet if anybody actually did daily finger workouts they could definitely keep up with no problem. I mean it feels exactly like trying to run after not having done it in a while.

I'm irritated that he disallows the qloader though, doesn't that completely defeat the actual point of his exercise? I thought he should be testing the player, not the equipment. I mean it means you'd have to try successfully a lot of times to catch the one where the halo behaves correctly.

[added: for those curious, I'm walking a vapor bm2k and using cooledit to record, soundclips are available for the chronically bored and skeptical]

[FallNAngel]

See what I mean? Disallowing the QLoader?! Careful... if you do manage to get a sustained 15bps he'll claim it's not possible and say you have to use a revvy... Soon it'll be down to a mech Spyder with a sliding trigger and a VL200 is all you can use.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by FallNAngel


...so how does raking against the spirit of the bet? It's a perfectly legal method of pulling the trigger, he just doesn't want to send someone $100. It also *has* to be on VHS tape, he gets rights to the video and he can change the rules at any time... I'm not surprised no one has "won" the bet.

Keep in mind he started this bet a long time ago,before raking and debounce and probably even digital video were common place.The loader issues are based on the A) the VISIBLE unloading during fire and 2)a minimum of 150 rounds fired,neither of which is possible w/ the Q loader.

And technically,raking IS illegal even though rarely enforced.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand what is meant by "the spirit of th bet".

It's to see how fast someone can or can't PULL A TRIGGER.Not roll it,rake it,vibrate it,bounce it or whatever.If you don't like the rules of the bet,then don't try it.You won't to be the first or the last to wuss out because you can't beat the bet by the rules.

Jay.

(FYI,none of that "you" stuff was directed at anyone particular,just a general "you" to all the whiners:))

[yaddatrance]

RR, I understood all of that but the "visible unloading"
part... Why does the hopper matter at all? Couldn't
you just listen to the solenoid engaging? Anyone who
argues that the hopper makes a difference on how fast
you can pull the trigger is silly.

Simply put, the challenge is effectly how long
someone can sustain clicking a microswitch 15 times a
second... I've done enough to ascertain that it's
feasible, but not without serious practice.

On an unrelated note, I'd love to see a professional series
which legalizes full auto in return for also legalizing
most all other "cheats" like neoprene clothing, etc...

I mean, even with 50,000 dollars at stake, I'd call myself
out after being raked just once with live fire...