45 vs Y/Z angle vs Vert frames

[Cryer]

So we have a place to talk about it without cluttering Nicads thread...

[trains are bad]

It's entirely prference. Most people hate my y. It depends on how you shoot, what you like.

[Cryer]

While we're at it, hell lets drag drops vs rails into this...


I want a vert w/ rail. Ultimate shooting platform with a 88 stubby tank. Lets you get your arm straighter, allowing your tendons/muscles/whatever easier movement, as well get the frame perpindicular to the motion of your trigger pull.

[yaddatrance]

Woohoo!

My personal preferences:

1st: Vertical
2nd: Y-frame

Logical order from a marketting/demand sense:

1st: 45 frame
2nd: Vertical

Argument from DW hAir thread... Re: "iT'S ERGONIMICALLY
better working trigger frame. NOt just a preference, it's a fact."

All existing trigger frames are design compromises.
It is not a fact that the Y-frame is the most ergonomic frame ever.

Point #1: A Y-frame is really irritating to use while lying
on your belly or side behind a snake.

Point #2: The 45 frame has been designed to use your
natural pointing skills. It is possible to aim accurately
with your eyes closed. This feat is near impossible with
the Y-frame. The Y requires sighting down the barrel.

That said, I owned a Y and was not unhappy with it.
I traded to a vertical frame because it allowed me to
comfortably play in more positions, thus achieving a
good compromise for my playing tastes.

[added: Drop vs. rail, I prefer a drop, but they all
look wierd on the Y and vertical frames. I went with
rails for those]

[RenagadeOfFunk]

With an e-mag and x-mag you really dont have a choice...

...45 all the way...
...why do you think the military and others use 45 grips

[Cryer]

My heirarchy of preferances:

1- vert
2- 45
3- Y
4- Z


45's are designed for pistols, and guns where you have your arm completely extended. Thats the ergonomics of it. If you use a rail, its easier to use a 45, however, if you prefer drops, try and get at least a vert...

I think if I had a Y grip, I might actually use a drop...

[yaddatrance]

Originally posted by Cryer
I think if I had a Y grip, I might actually use a drop...

Heh, that's how I ran my first game with the Y and
I nearly wrenched a muscle with it... All the weight
was on the wrist to keep it holding the gun facing
forward (Using a SS RT Pro with Halo B and a medium drop,
ugh!) Talk about heavy... my muscles twinge just thinking
about it...

[JT2002]

is the bagelmaster here yet?

[Cryer]

Yeah, on second thought, I wouldnt use a drop... If I had a neg-angle frame (y/z) I'd use one of those funky backwards angled drop thingies...

[Cryer]

Originally posted by JT2002
is the bagelmaster here yet?

lol, nah, hes still argueing with himself in nicads thread...

[BagelBoy2004]

Originally posted by Cryer


lol, nah, hes still argueing with himself in nicads thread...

is there a problem???

[BagelBoy2004]

Originally posted by yaddatrance
Woohoo!

Point #2: The 45 frame has been designed to use your
natural pointing skills. It is possible to aim accurately
with your eyes closed. This feat is near impossible with
the Y-frame. The Y requires sighting down the barrel.

no one "aims a paint marker". No one sights down the barrel. You just watch where the paint goes. There are no "snipers" in paintball. Why would you try to "aim".

[BagelBoy2004]

Originally posted by RenagadeOfFunkRTPcf
With an e-mag and x-mag you really dont have a choice...

...45 all the way...
...why do you think the military and others use 45 grips

They use 45 grips because they have HANDGUNS and RIFLES not paintball guns. Genious........

[Cryer]

Originally posted by BagelBoy2004


is there a problem???

Well, yeah: Nicad wanted this discussion out of his thread.

why do you always sound so demeaning? ...insulting and all?


EDIT-Oh, and you didnt spell genius right, Genius.

[yaddatrance]

Originally posted by BagelBoy2004


They use 45 grips because they have HANDGUNS and RIFLES not paintball guns. Genious........

You still haven't addressed my points... You'll also find
them on SMGs like the MP5 which is used in a very similar
situations to paintball...

They all use 45 grips because they like to hit what
they shoot at and the 45 grip is a very good instinctive
shape for that purpose.

It's all preference and design choices...

BTW Re: Angel copying the Y frame...

If you examine the grip frame of a real Uzi, you'd
note that they copied it very accurately, the dips
and cut of the vertical frame is almost a clone.

http://images.google.com/images?q=uzi&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en