Sanchez Machine Taken Out By Smart Parts

[Lohman446]

Sanchez Machine should just call it a large porting hole . Whats SP gonna do next, patent the paintball barrel or port holes :mad:.

Knowing SP the answer is yes.. they have probably read this and revised an old patent to do just that.

[hunter100]

You guys should calm down a little. SP actually has a valid patent on their freak design, which includes the window to view the insert size. As far as I know, they have had this patent since the barrel was introduced. Any company should be aware of previous patents and I believe it is Sanchez Machine's fault for violating SP's patent. SP is simply acting in their best interests. While some of the prior actions of SP are a little on the shady side, this new act is perfectly legit in my book. Everyone is so eager to jump on the band wagon these days, and even the title of this thread suggests this(you should be able to see why the title is purposefullly misleading). People need to remember that the goal of any company, even AGD, is to make profits.

[SlartyBartFast]

I just cant believe that Apple didnt patent the mouse. They would have had a gold mine in royalties ready for them around every turn if they had. Thats stupid.

Apple tried suing Microsoft over the "look and feel" of windows. It looked like they were going to win and they dropped the whole thing.

Know why?

Apple stole EVERY IDEA from Xerox.

Somebody smart realised if Apple proved their case in court, Xerox could use that very decision against Apple and sue them for everything they were worth. :p

Now for really interesting legal action, check out the fight between Apple Computer (makers of the Mac) and Apple Corp (the Beatles record company).

[shivors]

SP just sux wankers. LONG LIVE KINGMAN!

[spantol]

If by "stole" you mean "purchased," you're spot on. Apple exchanged a good chunk of stock for the chance to raid PARC. Xerox's top brass had no interest in developing that technology.

Here's a another account of how things went down:

http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html

Apple stole EVERY IDEA from Xerox.

[Plazmic]

If by "stole" you mean "purchased," you're spot on. Apple exchanged a good chunk of stock for the chance to raid PARC. Xerox's top brass had no interest in developing that technology.

Here's a another account of how things went down:

http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html

AH ha ha ha!

Man! If you have ever heard someone use the term "revisionist history" and didn't know what they were talking about, THIS is it! Holy Crap!

[dansim]

Didn't they use the same argument against the original Powerlyte scepter and force the redesign of that as well?

so thats why my first edition scepter had the hole and my new one doesnt, those bastards

[dansim]

You guys should calm down a little. SP actually has a valid patent on their freak design, which includes the window to view the insert size. As far as I know, they have had this patent since the barrel was introduced. Any company should be aware of previous patents and I believe it is Sanchez Machine's fault for violating SP's patent. SP is simply acting in their best interests. While some of the prior actions of SP are a little on the shady side, this new act is perfectly legit in my book. Everyone is so eager to jump on the band wagon these days, and even the title of this thread suggests this(you should be able to see why the title is purposefullly misleading). People need to remember that the goal of any company, even AGD, is to make profits.

back under the rock, until someone asks you

[BunkerRat]

I will never buy another SP's product.To me they are hurting the sport to make a buck and Im sure they arent hurting for money.So all of you who still buy SP products are knocking a little chunck of AGD and paintball out when you do hehe.I mean honesly what more could you want in a marker that AGD dosent offer.The owner of the company acually comes to the forums and looks at the like and dislikes and tries to make a product the way we want it.He acually values what the customer wants not just to make the dollar and then see yah later you bought it.OK sorry Ill get off my soap box.Tom Kaye is Elvis brought back but now hes the king of paintball hehe

[spantol]

It's definitely a pro-Apple account. If that's too biased for you, I'd invite you to spend some time researching the facts on your own. The deal reduces to two key points:

- Xerox had a bunch of IP that they weren't going to market
- Apple traded a buttload of stock for that IP

AH ha ha ha!

Man! If you have ever heard someone use the term "revisionist history" and didn't know what they were talking about, THIS is it! Holy Crap!

[Lohman446]

I am so sick of "its just business" lets not respond attitude.

Certain things that would have hurt this sport, its advancement, its safety were never done (patenting of HPA tanks as an air source, the PIN valve, etc.). SP has the audacity to come into this sport riding the coattails of other manufactures with barrels made for their guns and upgrades for their guns. At the same time their own guns have a "proprietry" design for their barrel threading that is protected (not sure on this, correct me if Im wrong, but I doubt it). Even if I am wrong, now they use basic technology, tack onto it, make upgrades and allow others to to the point the electronics are part of the game, then they patent it.

Screw SP, I don't care about busines, I dont care if it was legally right, it was a detriment to this sport... it went against what many of the founders of this sport did.

Now you want to express your outrage - I'm done with SP products - none on the field, none in my hands. I will not have any of the newer players look at me, see me using anything SP, and want it. I don't care about quality (lacking) - SP is not the company I want to see leading paintball into the future.. I'd sooner run behind BE... with the aquisition of WGP (by K2) this is not that bad of an idea.

[Gabriel]

I am so sick of "its just business" lets not respond attitude.

what the hell

As much as I am against the 'electro-pnuematic' patent, this last action is legit. A little hissy-fit, but legit.

[Lohman446]

what the hell

As much as I am against the 'electro-pnuematic' patent, this last action is legit. A little hissy-fit, but legit.

No offense meant here but
Thats the attitude that bugs me - I'm not a lawyer, I'm not going to judge if they were legally in the right or not. I simply don't care if it was legal or not. What they are doing is not right for the industry the are in. This single action - probably no big deal. But the whole SP "attitude" annoys me. This action alone - well frankly who cares if I can see the insert or not, its not a big deal, its just another action of SP flexing its corporate muscle that annoys me.

[tjmpaintball06]

guess what, everyone is out to make money. Smart Parts is just doing that, making money. They dont care how many people they have to crush before they become leaders of the industry. It is totally legitimate. Capitalism is based on monopolies and making money. Communists are all for the community and furthuring the industry. YOU ARENT A COMMUNIST ARE YOU?? :p j/k Smart Parts is totally legit. They are just doing what they have the power to do.

[robdamanii]

guess what, everyone is out to make money. Smart Parts is just doing that, making money. They dont care how many people they have to crush before they become leaders of the industry. It is totally legitimate. Capitalism is based on monopolies and making money. Communists are all for the community and furthuring the industry. YOU ARENT A COMMUNIST ARE YOU?? :p j/k Smart Parts is totally legit. They are just doing what they have the power to do.

Capitalism is based upon COMPETITION, not MONOPOLIES! That's why Roosevelt created the anti-trust organizations he did. Railroads were monopolies, defeating the true competitive spirit of capitalism, therefore they were split up in anti-trust litigation. Monopolies are inherently the worst thing for a capitalist market, because once every industry becomes a monopoly, we become a socialist society.

SP is a bunch of pains in the asses. I still like their barrel, but hell, I'm not going to buy any of their markers. Their business ethics are about as good as the ethics of a two dollar vietnamese hooker with the clap; anything for a few bucks.

If SP wants to make money, build a marker that doesn't suck and stop suing everyone in the damn industry. Or just go after BE/WGP/K2 and get your *** handed to you in court.

It figures, you put a patent attorney at the head of a company and they think they are god or something...