Sanchez Machine Taken Out By Smart Parts

[GA Devil]

What I found interesting is that the were reviewed on Warpig right before this hit.

[logamus]

so has everyone ripped their intel chips out of their computer and refuse to buy intel stuff? remember the c& agd got about the lvl 10 sticker? a patent/copyright you dont enforce is worthless. sanchez machine is the guilty party here. they should have known that the window was sp's property and should not have made it. if they didnt know, its their own fault for not looking into it.

this is just another excuse for the sp haters to hate some more. if you step back for a second you will reaize that sm was pretty dumb to do this in the first place. besides, i dont think preventing others from making barrels with windows cut out will set the sport back or prevent others from being creative.

[arsonpaintball06]

y cant any1 get SP for trying to monopolize the market? they are gettin pretty damn close IMO......granted there are still alot of other guns and stuff......but if they keep this up, who knows

[logamus]

sp is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way from being a monopoly.

[Plazmic]

What has Intel got do with this? They are not sueing AMD for copying their design or anything.... What is your point there.

Yes, Sanchez Machine is at fault for not being aware of the patent on the "window." You'll notice that as soon as they received a C&D from SP that they stopped producing the windowed barrels and are in the midst of a redesign to correct it.

What you need to see with SP is the larger picture. They are sueing everyone in the industry that has a design even a little bit close to theirs. SM's window didn't look anything like the one on the Freak, but they didn't take it to court they just let it go. What we have here in SP is a bully trying to push around the smaller kids.

[The Deacon]

This cease and desist on a barrel window is no big deal. Why? It's a FRIGGIN' WINDOW. How many times have you stopped in a game and said, "Whoa, what size of insert do I got in there?" A stupid barrel window isn't going to hold the industry down. They haven't sued anyone over it, just cease and desists. DYE issued them for Matrix parts, and there's no massive amounts of DYE hate threads or people burning DYE clothing (because you paid 100+ bucks for pants, you psycho! ).

What IS holding the industry is their other patent which violates every code of business ethics imaginable. Then again, not a lot of companies have ethics, which is what made the paintball industry so awesome. Gone are those glorious days, I guess.

[Plazmic]

Well, that is exactly why people are so upset! The things SP does violates most of our beliefs in ethics and distrubs the image we have of our sport. We like to work together! We congratulate the other player for a nice shot when we get tagged by a nice shot. We don't like people who taunt on the field and we don't like companies that act unethically. There is a big gap between what it legal and what is ethical.

[billmi]

They haven't sued anyone over it, just cease and desists. DYE issued them for Matrix parts, and there's no massive amounts of DYE hate threads or people burning DYE clothing (because you paid 100+ bucks for pants, you psycho! ).

What IS holding the industry is their other patent which violates every code of business ethics imaginable. Then again, not a lot of companies have ethics, which is what made the paintball industry so awesome. Gone are those glorious days, I guess.

[sarcasm]
But it's not hip to complain about and threaten to boycot other companies. C'mon get with the program, all the cool kids are doing it.
[/sarcasm]

Really....

If all the companies that have either charged another company a royalty, stopped or attempted to stop another company from making a product based on intelectual property rights, were boycotted, who would you buy from? The companies that get listed as having patents but not enforcing them have all used intellectual property to either stop competing products from entering the market, or to draw royalties from them.

[The Deacon]

I'm all for enforcing patents, just not extending them.

I was simply using the DYE analogy to show that C&D on Matrix parts won't repress the community and same with this window thing.

[logamus]

What has Intel got do with this? They are not sueing AMD for copying their design or anything.... What is your point there.

my point was that agd once made a level 10 sticker that was a rip of the "intel inside" logo. intel sent agd a c&d to agd but ao didnt form a posse to go after intel.

i dont like what sp has done with the electro patent, but these days all someone has to do is imply the words "smart parts" and you get two and a half pages of why smart parts is the devil.

[FigMenT]

couldnt agd sue SP cuz the new shockers bolt system is basically like the lvl10; i dunno just trying to find little things here and there to go back and bite SP in the ***.

[The Deacon]

couldnt agd sue SP cuz the new shockers bolt system is basically like the lvl10; i dunno just trying to find little things here and there to go back and bite SP in the ***.

Yeah... no. It's a spool valve, WHOLE different thing. The only way it's like a mag is that it's a single tube design.

[Plazmic]

Ah, I didn't konw about that Level 10 sticker. Well, if they knew they were borrowing the Intel Inside idea and just doing a parody, then they were probably not surprised by the C&D. If the rip was obvious then of course AO didn't get all up in arms. The thing with SP is that they patented a design that was already in existence and now want to make other people pay for it. Their idea is that NOBODY can make ANY kind of electro marker without their okay. It's not something like copying their design for an electro trigger, it's the use of an electronic trigger, whether it resembles their own or not, that they want to own. So if you were to design a completely new gun that worked in a whole new way, but used an electronic device to fire the ball, they would say they own your idea and sue you for the rights to it.

[hunter100]

Nobody will dispute the fact that smart parts took advantage of the patent system for the solenoid thing, but this thread is about their barrel system patent. I think it is important to keep this thread on the topic at hand, and not on smart parts' previouse patent litigation, which has nothing to do with this new cease and desist order.

[Deep Sixx]

- Xerox had a bunch of IP that they weren't going to market
- Apple traded a buttload of stock for that IP

If I remember correctly, Xerox didn't believe what they had would be profitable. LOL! Nobody would ever use a mouse or need a GUI!

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