Upgrading to a different gun

[No sKiLLz]

ok I've shot both guns i was thinking about buying, I understand how both guns work mechanically, proformance wise, but I am a back player who goes through a hopper and a pod a game, on average i rarely shot over 7 bps, i'm looking for accuracy and extreme reliability

Back player using 1 pod and 1 hopper? I have to go with Digits on this, you need a Matrix. Nothing out there is stabler and easier to walk, and for all those monkeys out there crying bounce, I have three words for you...

FOUR POINT ZERO!!!

[jpdgas]

I still stand by the emag. you get the best of all worlds if you want an electro; dont need a backup, its fast if you feel the need for speed, but is also durable if you decide to rely on your playing skill instead of sitting down and threading a paint rope. Plus they can look killer and are somewhat rare over here on the west coast. Accuracy will only be affected by your barrel and paint, so any marker can be made accurate.

Then again, this is your marker. the best thing you can do is research, shoot the guns, decide how much you are willing to spend, and find a marker that fits your style. Usually people are more than happy to show off their markers and let you shoot them, so ask around at your field if yousee something you like.

[No sKiLLz]

Accuracy will only be affected by your barrel and paint, so any marker can be made accurate.

Stability effects accuracy. Nothing is more stable than a Matrix.

[tyrion2323]

I'd recommend the Omen or an upgraded BKO because I'm wondering - do you really need a $700+ marker if you're only shooting 350 rounds a game as a 'backman?'

Sounds to me like the best bet would be to invest in a BKO, an Omen or an Impulse and then upgrade them as you go along. Getting a BKO for $300, adding a new bolt, internals, etc is still only going to run you $500 tops, and it doesn't sound like you're pouring ropes of paint of of your barrel.

Jacob

[jpdgas]

If by stability you mean consistancy, then yes, accuracy is also effected by consistancy of the marker. But consistancy is also effected by your air source, any inline regs you may have, dirt in your system, and so on. Also, if your paint is out of round, you will have consistancy probs.

The consistancy of any valve in any marker is effected by what comes before and after it. I have an x-valved minimag and its consistancy changes with the paint put in it. Besides, accuracy is useless if the user dosnt know how to place a shot. Nothing against the matrix, but it isnt the only choice for a consistant marker.

[black tri star]

I am pretty decent back player, that doesn't need to use a hopper and four pods to keep people pinned down for the front players to advance, i would appreciate it more you people answered my question like jpdgas does. and not knock on the way I play

[shivors]

Ok...this might blow a few minds but I would go with the mag. I am a die hard Spyder fan but as others have said they dont have an available antichop YET* and they are not manufactured to the same high standards as an Mag or other higher class marker.

* Kingman has a marker with optical anti-chop in the pipe for this year.

Even at that the optical is a potential hassle with black shelled paint or an obscured eye.

The value in Kingman is that you can get a electro marker for 150.00, decent barrel for 50.00, an agitation loader for 50.00 and you can go 13bps (or faster in semi). That is a decent set for 250.00 base. Easy to maintain, tons of upgrades, and economical.

Another consideration should be the 2004 vert Autococker (ProStock). It is 350.00 and ready to go from the box....just add air. Of course it comes with it's own set of considerations.

[warpedside671]

Whoa trixies are good but don't get me wrong not all of us can afford a $1000
plus setup,They are solid markers and thry do rock but, if all Black Tri Star is looking for a good all around gun with consistancy and accuracy there alot of things that factor up aginst all of this.Hell I played some games with High end
tourney markers and I would sometimes get pinned or shot out by kids with spyders.So it goes to show that the player makes the Marker not the other way around.


Black Tri Star what ever marker you do decide to choose to play with I hope you get the best out of it, all in all I still stand with the E-mag if that is to much for your budget an RT UlE would also be nice soon I am getting one too.....Good luck

[Buff]

doesn't the PMI EVO have breakbeam eye's instead of reflection eye's?

[tyrion2323]

I am pretty decent back player, that doesn't need to use a hopper and four pods to keep people pinned down for the front players to advance, i would appreciate it more you people answered my question like jpdgas does. and not knock on the way I play

Nobody's knocking on the way you play, I was simply posing the question: if you only shoot 350 rounds a game as a back man, do you really need a $600+ marker?

It's a legitimate consideration. For what you play, it seems like an Omen, a BKO or an Impulse may be the best bet for you. You can use them stock and upgrade them as you progress. I know for a fact that an upgraded 2004 Impulse is an amazing marker, even though there are people who say "impulses suck" no matter what the circumstance.

Jacob

[jpdgas]

The price you should spend on a marker should not be based completely on the amount of paint you use in a game. I'm thinking you are associating cost with speed, which is only a small part of your marker when it comes down to it (i'm a minority on that opinion, i know). It is true that the speed capabilities of a marker increase with price, but so does quality (usually) and reliability (also usually), and looks (hopefully).

I hardly ever shoot more than 5-7 bps, because i dont need to. I play scenario ball and some speed ball, but my style of play is not dependant on flinging paint at some rediculous speed. Does this mean i shouldnt have a nice marker or that i should limit the cost to $200? no way. I spent a considerable amount of cash to put together my ideal mag. It boils down to finding a marker that you like and feels right. my mag has the capability to fling paint faster than i will ever need, but thats not why i have it. I have it because its bulletproof, it fits me, and it looks awesome.

The hardest part in making an educated decision is sorting through what is hype and what really works.

[1ofkind]

RT ULE, be patient!

[black tri star]

I do need a gun that has the spray and pray ability, there have bee occasions were I needed a high bps ie. covering three bunkers at once, and to be a mid range player when need, I've been looking around and found a few more guns. The Ule RT mag, the 2k3 shocker, the speed angel, and 2k3 impulse. After my next paycheck comes in all of these guns will be in price range. for a little idea of what I'm upgrading from, my gun with after market barrel and 20 oz. tank cost me $27 w/o shipping

[Timmee]

If you're considering the Impy, you should also consider the BM2K. I love mine, it's pretty easy to work on, and it's a reliable marker. The only gripe I have with the BM2K is the wiring harness, although a Vapor wiring harness solves that problem with thicker wires (it also comes with a high intensity LED and lighter microswitch).

[No sKiLLz]

By stable shooting platform I mean stable shooting platform. You said yourself you don't shoot long strings of paint, but back players need that ability, and a marker that is kicking around like a mexican jumping bean isn't going to be very accurate. It doesn't take much barrel movement to be 6-12 inches off the mark, so stability during sustained rate of fire makes a difference.

And the Matrix will change his game. It is the easiest marker out there to walk. I don't really care to argue the point, though. If he bothers to shoot one he will know what I am talking about.