Upgrading to a different gun

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

Matrix, hands down. You can buy them brand new for like $825, comes with eyes and everything. You can also find some sick deals on used Matrices, I've seen fully upgraded LED's go for around 650-700 and nice LCD's for 700-750. Not only are they extremely fast, they have basically NO KICK, so every shot is dead on (with correct paint to barrel match of course). As long as you keep it lubed well, you should have no oring problems. It is also extremely upgradeable, so if you think it's not efficient enough or not fast enough stock, they have parts for you. Here would probably be the best trix setup for the money:

Matrix w/eyes ($825 brand new)
Tadao V4.0 ($100 brand new)
Evolve Bolt kit ($125 brand new)
SCM LPR ($85 brand new)

You can have one of the fastest most efficient guns out for $1135 all brand new. You can find a similar setup for about $800 used. Honestly, you don't have to upgrade it, the gun is plenty fast enough, and decently efficient with image bolt kit (stock) and LPR. If weight is an issue, they have places that will mill the gun completely for $100. Go for the matrix, you won't be disappointed, and also get a good nitrogen tank and a HALO B.

[m20power]

Hey there, Glad to see this post is getting so many replies so I guess I will add my little opinion.

The Matrix is a very fast gun and can be very accurate due to its design and lack of moving parts. Ive shot a non LCD version and got close to 20 bps by raking it with the stock trigger. In stock form it was a gas hob but as I belive someone mentioned you can make that a little better.

The mags are great guns. An engineers gun if I ever saw one. The new ULE guns with the X valve and ULT trigger can get pretty good speed and for 400 or so look at what you get. The valve alone is a 250.00 dollar part.

Impulses, can be as good as an angel with the right upgrades and no chops thanks to vision eyes. Pretty fast and once you mess with the trigger and put some magnets on it...mmm sexy.

BKO + B2K Well the BKO is around 290 new at the moment and I would take it over a "simmilarly priced" spyder any day. Ive seen used ones going for around 200. As someone said before after you get a new bolt to reduce kick and a new low preassure regulator to increase efficiancy its a very quick, accurate, light gun. The upgrades for it are close to 50 apice so they are things you can do when money permits. Yoyu dont have to save up 300 at once or anything like that.

I have never shot a 2003 Shocker, only held one. But from what I remember the internals are from the Dye matrix. Spart Parts ended up paying them a liscensing fee to use the design. Correct me if Im wrong.

Angel LED, Nice gun Basically the same as the LCD except for all the bells and whistles. You dont really use them they are just more things to break. I belive the LCDs ended up having better batteries as well as having a breach that was machined tighter to the bolt. This made it so when you broke paint you were less likely to have the bolt get stuck in the forward position. No big deal though just take off the barrel push the bold back down, open the breach and clean it up. I think LEDs are going around 300 at the moment.

In the end my opinion is to look at a used Impulse, BKO, Angel LED, or ULE mag for around 300. They might not have the performance of the Matrix. But for a third the price you get something that is still light fast and accurate. If the gun starts to hold you back you can always sell it for close to what you bought it for if you go used and find a good condition one. Then you can upgrade to a Matrix or Emag. Just have the money in the bank so when a deal comes up you can take advatage of it. Showing people cash makes the lower price seem not so bad.

My angel 2k2 c+c cost 500 with two bolts, a J+J ceramic and a 68/3000 bulldog. And odds are Ill get taken out by a ten year old girl with a rental SL-68. Buying a 1000 dollar gun dosent mean your gonna win. But it sure can help.

LICK LICK SUCK

[crewbe]

i would sugest going with an impulse i have a rat and that thing is a work horse. it is now my back up gun and it has gotten me and all me temates with timmys angels and when i had my pice of garbage 03 shocker out of a lot of jams when our primary guns whent down during practices and turnys

i also own a emag which is abit heavier and not as realible as my imp and my trix hands down is faster then the imp and just as reliable but has afew more orings and such to look out for

oh ya if ur going to run co2 on an imp ur going to need an anti-syphon tank not a regular co2 tank

[tyrion2323]

Ahh, more unsubstantiated claims from the Matrix dept.

Anyways, I wouldn't really consider an ULE-Custom in the same department as an Impulse or Shocker. If you want the ability to fire ropes, the ULE-Custom just won't cut it compared to an electro.

I stick with my original suggestions:
EVIL Omen
Upgrade BKO
Upgrade Impulse

[m20power]

I think that tyrion2323 has the right idea.
Check out this link and see what people have to say about the BKO

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/2486/

Sure If you read some posts people who own angels and matrixes will tell you it sucks. But there are people out there who own ferarris who will tell you a porsche is crappy. Its all relative.

For the 30 more than the Raven that it costs you get a lighter faster gun with less moving parts and many more upgrades to make it even better. The electropneumatic design is simmilar to the matrix I belive using pneumatics as opposed to mechanical systems.

Also remember that what works for someone may not work for you. I just switched from a cocker to an angel. The cocker is a good gun. But it just dosent suit my playing style.

Oah and by the way JP....9368 on the angel so far. Its just too much fun.

[jpdgas]

I almost forgot, if you ar looking for a simple marker that is accurate, has the fewest moving parts of any marker out there, looks shveet, and is ultra reliable, check out the epic by ICE. Non electro so im sure no one on this thread will approve, but one of my teamies has one and i am thuroghly impressed by it, not to mention one of the best customer service companies out there. Ands its not to hard on the wallet.

Check it out if you havent made up your mind yet, im thinking of picking one up soon if my mag will let me...she gets kinda jealous

http://www.icepaintball.com/

[GoatBoy]

The mags are great guns. An engineers gun if I ever saw one. The new ULE guns with the X valve and ULT trigger can get pretty good speed and for 400 or so look at what you get. The valve alone is a 250.00 dollar part.

Oh Hell yes. I always think that when I do gun comparisons. After seeing the first mag, I couldn't understand why anyone would bother with the other Frankenstein jobs. Hell... still think that to this day with most guns.


Anyways, it doesn't sound like this guy is a front player, so he doesn't need the low profile... And he's not a paint slinger, so why bother with the expensive triggernomics game. That's what most of these guys with their gun biases are talking from -- OMG TEH TRIGGAR! I CAN'T MAKE A MISTAKE, SO MY GUN HAS TO BE THE BEST EVAR! A properly maintained gun isn't going to really perform that much differently from any other gun, other than what it does in your mind. What's that gun going to do to your mind? How's it going to feel in your hands? Well... not sure if we can tell you that for sure.

For instance... gun weight. I used to believe the big guys were the ones who made fun of the little guys for wanting lighter guns, but recently I've seen it the other way around. The big guys are like, "Forget that, I want a light gun", and it's the scrawny ones telling the big ones to "go lift weights" for the most part. I'll tell you this, I'm not quite sure of the exact specifics of your current gun, but if you pick pretty much any of the electros these guys are touting, you're going to have a heavier gun, no question about it.



There's something to be said about all these kids that seem to change their equipment on a continual basis. I'm thinking it's easier to blame the equipment than actually improve your game. Hell, now that I think about it, that must be why the great BPS race is so imporant. It's a nice, quantifiable way of explaining why someone beat you, or why they should show you respect in the staging area. Like the newbie in the staging area that goes, "I'm gonna get a fully automatic gun huh huh! " or "OMG it's that guy with the autoblaster!" More "experienced" players just have more sophisticated terminology for it.


Anyways, whatever gun you pick, hopefully you will take the time to learn how it works, and how you should use it.


In the meantime, I feel compelled to ask... have you tried... cleaning your gun/accessories? You know, tearing it down and checking all the parts? If you haven't... boy you're going to hate some of these other guns.












*cough subliminal message buy a ULE mech mag cough cough*

[Enemy]

ok.. matrix never shot but i did get my hands on a dm4 and i walked it easy but i also walked an angel speed just as easy regardless the dm4 had some kick to it but when you are shooting that fast all you need is to walk the kick right back down and hold it there...personally emags a good choice..if you dont wanna go electro get the rt(deadlywind trigger coming soon!!!!) omens work good but the triggers have problems and when tuned down they bounce like crazy..same goes for e-piranhas(sp?)..also ask your self what do you like do you like a two tube stack a three tube triangle or a single tube.. does hieght of the marker matter if so then you will want to stay away from alot of the guns listed cuz they are tall especally when sitting next to a mag or 03 shocker..just realize that you dont need electrics to be good and from what youve described electrics arent going to be an issue so go with what you like and what fits your style...just remember when it comes to custom nothing matches the mags. good luck..

[1ofkind]

Just get a angel... you'll love it. After all I love my 2k cobra angel.

[ghideon]

For me, a stable shooting platform also means having something with some weight behind it to steady (like a nice e-marker made of steel, with EM00260 stamped on the valve ). Also not fanning the trigger and making the marker move all around helps, too. If you're hammering away at 16bps and missing half your shots on the guy's bunker, you might as well be shooting 8bps and landing em all. It's the same reason why I shoot better with a .44 Magnum than a 9mm pistol. Sometimes weight can be a good thing.

By stable shooting platform I mean stable shooting platform. You said yourself you don't shoot long strings of paint, but back players need that ability, and a marker that is kicking around like a mexican jumping bean isn't going to be very accurate. It doesn't take much barrel movement to be 6-12 inches off the mark, so stability during sustained rate of fire makes a difference.

And the Matrix will change his game. It is the easiest marker out there to walk. I don't really care to argue the point, though. If he bothers to shoot one he will know what I am talking about.

[Gabriel]

gabe, if i can call you gabe.....did you just say that a good/upgraded electro spyder and an emag are on par????? are you so full of you know what that your eyes are brown?.... if you consider a good upgraded e-spyder an intimidator... than yes,,, they're on par.... but man...spyders dont have antichop, they have about 4x the reciprocating mass... and they are milled to crap tolerances, meaning inconsistant performance.... get my drift????

-kyro

[paintpiggie]

get the mag.
it'll be better in the long run.

[black tri star]

eairly in my post I said i could afford an Emag no problem, on the other hand I can't afford a matrix and from what I'v seen on Dy. web site I wouldn't want to buy a 1400 dollar modified angel. to answer some other questions yes I have taken apart guns and cleaned it, my gun is digustingly simple, I can field clean the whole gun, including the bolt assembly faster than most people can remove a quick screw barrel. Mechanical comprehension of how guns work is nothing for me, I've been checking out guns and their diagrams online, the cam opperation in the omen has efficency problems, the cockers in general have too many moving parts, I want a reliable gun, proven fact less moving parts less problems. The BKO's and Impusles while more stable are interesting in design, unfortunitly they way the regulator and air systems are set up I don't want to be spend a ton of money on n2 refills. The angels have a very appealing bolt assembly, but every time i consider one a red flag goes up in my mind. The shocker has turned out to become the poor mans X-mag. The Epic I would have to agree with jpdgas mechanically I'm almost in love with the gun, i just need to go out and shoot one to decide if i am to buy one. But when it comes down to it I am always mechanically comparing every design and system I've seen to the mags. I've been looking ele where on this site and have seen some interesting theories, you should base your playing style around your pyshical abilities, so with that said I am now changing my question to: which gun(Epic, Emag, RTpro mag, or an upgraded impulse) would be good for a medium/back player?

[No sKiLLz]

??? Last time I checked the price difference between the Matrix and E-mag were marginal. On Actionvillage there's only a $25 difference.

[black tri star]

i believe they are refering to the DM4