ebay xmag

[MarkM]

Ok it's a scam....but lets give him some more rope to hang him with get a phone number you can call him on......don't matter if it is a UK number as that's where I am , I'll soon let you know if the guy is legit, if you do get the number PM it to me, don't post it up as too many will call him, I will post it if it is dodgy.

It reads the same as this thread in the details he has given you. http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=137821

[athomas]

This sounds like the same guy I emailed about an emag on ebay once before. He supposedly lived in Vancouver that time. But, he had just taken the gun to London, UK with him where he had originally puchased it because he was on business there. He also wanted money transfer. It was definately a scam then and I think this is a scam by the same guy now.

He told me "Don't worry about the money. After it arrives at Western Union, I won't touch it until the gun arrives at your door. I am an honest person." LOL.

Scam

[InexactMelissa]

Still no response to my request for a serial number. I'm voting for 'scam' as well.

[Steelrat]

Oh, there is no question that its a scam. The question is how to jerk this guy's chain a bit?

[kylyo123456]

Ive got a deal with the guy

I have been in communication with the seller of the xmag and we have a deal. He said he is going to bring it to UPS and they notify me that they have the package and then I transfer the money. It seems alright to me, but it is still iffy because I asked to do a COD and he kinda avoided the subject.
I also asked for a real picture and am still waiting on that. Is there a way to get screwed-over thru UPS third party shipping? I dont like the fact that he is overseas either, I cant do anything if I never get the mag.
Should I put my faith in humanity and go for it or does it smell of a scam?
Anything you've learned from talking to the seller please PM me.

[InexactMelissa]

If it were me, I wouldn't do it. Just because he takes a box to UPS, and they say they have a box, doesn't mean that you are going to get the gun. Vendetta had a deal go bad on him where after all kinds of problems, he finally got a package....it had an empty Xmag box in it. Personally, I try to avoid overseas transactions, and there is no way that I would do it any other way than a credit card. If you really must do it, I would request a picture of the gun taken with something identifiable (a printout of your email, etc.) as well as getting the serial number and checking it to make sure it isn't already registered.

[magking1971]

I have been in communication with the seller of the xmag and we have a deal. He said he is going to bring it to UPS and they notify me that they have the package and then I transfer the money. It seems alright to me, but it is still iffy because I asked to do a COD and he kinda avoided the subject.
I also asked for a real picture and am still waiting on that. Is there a way to get screwed-over thru UPS third party shipping? I dont like the fact that he is overseas either, I cant do anything if I never get the mag.
Should I put my faith in humanity and go for it or does it smell of a scam?
Anything you've learned from talking to the seller please PM me.

IT IS A SCAM! never trust someone from the UK!
If you buy it I will drive over and beat you!!
The real question is how do we scam the scammer?

[the larch]

Dude,
Using UPS third person is a SCAMMERS dream. They don't look in the box, or take information from the shipper.
DO NOT GIVE THIS GUY MONEY. You MIGHT get a box.
Can't believe I even have to write this.
The marker doesn't exist.
Screw with the guy, but don't even think that he is for real in any way shape or form. NO ONE buys a $1300 marker and doesn't know what he has.

[Steelrat]

Well, a lot of us could agree to send the money, and give him the run around, OR we could set him up with the British Authorities, if they are interested. We should see how many of us can make a "deal" with him.

[Chojin Man]

I emailed him to ask if he would do a escrow transaction. This is the response. Pretty much the same as Steelrat's except that he decided to change what he is going to throw in for free.

Dear Sir,

The item is brand new never used and available for sale. The Gun is fantastic it works perfectly...you will love it for sure. No damages or scrathes. It comes with all papers and accesories and also the original box.

I bought it from London 2 weeks ago from a discount store and I didnt used it because I didn't have the time to play. Now I need some cash and I decided to sell it. The price is a lot lower than the advisrtised(1100US$)

Included FOR FREE:

HPA tank
Electronic Agitating 12Volt Revolution Hopper

This is all the equipment you need to play the day you get your package.
Just add air to your tank and load up paintballs and you are ready to hit the field.


I am overseas in London, UK now I have some business here and also this is where the item is located.

I am a beginner in this kind of online deals so I can only accept:

1. MoneyGram wire transfer
2. Western Union wire transfer
3. UPS Third Party Service


I do not take PayPal because I am not registered and I am not very comfortable with them.

Please choose one of these and I will reply with more details.

I preffer MoneyGram wire transfer or Western Union wire transfer in case you want a fast deal. I used them before for a few times and they always served my interests in a professional manner and helped me gain buyers.

But feel free to choose any method you like from these and let me know.


Shipping : UPS 2 day air insured my expense.
Shipping and handling taxes to your location are paid by me.

I accept US Dollars payment. My price for a deal right now is 700US$. Let me know your max price since the item is available for sale.

Thanks
Please reply instantly

Davis

[spacedtedybear]

If you want a great example of a counterscam, click here:

http://www.mannequin3d.com/powerbook/

[MarkM]

If you want a great example of a counterscam, click here:
http://www.mannequin3d.com/powerbook/

Didn't you read my post at the top of this page?

Still waiting for the phone number for this scammer, and there are no discount stores in the UK that would sell something like this as brand new, pawn shops yes but not discount stores, and due to the paintball situation within the UK the number of places you can play with your own equipment outside of a tournament you can count on one hand so that shoots down the reasons fgiven or having the Xmag and not being able to use it. Report the post to Ebay, link to this thread here if they want more information.
It is annoying that people will do this as there are bargains to be had on Ebay as sometimes things do get missed and people don't bid on something but not high value items like this, it is normally a regular paintball marker but a bidding war starts and it goes for silly money.
I see stuff nothing to do with paintball sell for above retail frequently or very close to retail and then the shipping costs jump it right over retail cost and it always seems to be new users (less than 30 days) who do it or people who if you look at their feedback just seem to enjoy wasting money on Ebay.....Ebay rant over

[cgrieves]

Ask him exactly where he is in London and post the info here. I work in London every weekday so if it really is a geniune deal (and it seems pretty certain it isn't) he won't have any problem meeting up with me to verify the marker's existence.

In fact ask him what the weather's like in London, where the nearest tube station is, what hotel he's staying in, what the nightly rate is. Then say you are ready to transfer the money and when he agrees, tell him I am on my way over to pick up the marker.

[rkjunior303]

this is defintely a scam.. take a look above -- he changed what was included.... Before, it was offered with a co2 tank but now (i'm sure once it was pointed out to him) it now happens to come with a HPA tank?

Whaaaatever!

[kylyo123456]

I got the deal

We have made the deal to do UPS third party shipping and I just got the email from UPS saying they have it and will ship it as soon as payment is sent. Here is what I got from UPS:

UPS Third Party Service reduces risks associated with Internet
transactions by acting as a licensed neutral third party for online
transactions. The seller delivers the package to one of it's nearest UPS agents
for the evaluation of contents. The package will remain in UPS custody
until the receiver will send the payment through a Money Order
Service(WesternUnion or MoneyGram) and will provide all the transaction details
to the seller for verification reasons. After verifying the funds, UPS
is ready to ship the parcel to the designated address.


Pending Delivery Shipment
Transaction Date: 20 May 2004

Address Information
Shipper:
DAVIS BRIAN
306 LYNTON ROAD
LONDON
SE15DD
UNITED KINGDOM

Ship From:
DAVIS BRIAN
306 LYNTON ROAD
LONDON
SE15DD
UNITED KINGDOM

Ship To:
KYLE YOUNG
2226 TACOMA ROAD
PUYALLUP
WA 98371
UNITED STATES


Shipment Information
Service: UPS Worldwide Express
Guaranteed By: 48h after the payment confirmation
Declared Value: 950

Description of Goods: Airgun Design X-Mag Paintball Gun Package
Status of inspection: Complete
Shipping: 89.86

Package Information
Package: 1 of 1
Tracking Number: Pending*
Package Type: UPS By Air Box
Insured Value Amount: 950

*Note:You will receive the Tracking Number after the payment is
confirmed. We are able to inform you that the package is in the UPS custody
and we need the payment confirmation from the shipper in order to proceed
with the shipment. The sender has indicated Western Union money
transfer as it's preferred method of payment.

Does this look legit? It doesn't seem very formal to me. Chojin I gt the exact same email from him!?! Can someone PM who has used western union before, I have an idea but I want to make sure it would work first.
Im not going to get ripped off
Oh yeah about the tank. He posted it was CO2 on ebay and when I told him CO2 doesn;t work with the mag- he said he was new to paintball and didnt know the names!?! He says it is a JAVA 4500