?????ANYWAY possible to use CO2?????

[RRfireblade]

rr...while it may have worked, i would strongly recommend against it

I would recommend against it as well.

I just hate when people (not you specifically) say something that they don't know is true based on their own speculation and state it as fact.It only confuses the 'less informed' who read it as such.

A few months back,after a similar discussion,'Kenndogg' ran his R/T off a bulk CO2 tank just see what would happen. Guess what? Ripped just fine as well.There was a vid up but I think it's down now,oh well.

Anyway,no question it's not recommended.No question it's not the best thing for the valve.No question it will not perform anywhere near HPA.

But it can work under the right circumstances.

(FYI,I just emptied the rest of a 12oz in the backyard thru an old Micro R/T and a remote. Haven't shot that thing in quite some time,'ol L7 and 0 chops. )

[GT]

and co2 is MUCH more volitile than HPA/N2.

the misnomer here is IF the CO2 is unregulated. Regulated co2, if done correctly, works just fine.

[Got_Paint]

I remember a while ago someone said that Glenn Palmer got an emag to run well of co2. Can't prove this though, can't find it, so yeah.

[Paintchucker]

I would recommend against it as well.

I just hate when people (not you specifically) say something that they don't know is true based on their own speculation and state it as fact.It only confuses the 'less informed' who read it as such.

A few months back,after a similar discussion,'Kenndogg' ran his R/T off a bulk CO2 tank just see what would happen. Guess what? Ripped just fine as well.There was a vid up but I think it's down now,oh well.

Anyway,no question it's not recommended.No question it's not the best thing for the valve.No question it will not perform anywhere near HPA.

But it can work under the right circumstances.

(FYI,I just emptied the rest of a 12oz in the backyard thru an old Micro R/T and a remote. Haven't shot that thing in quite some time,'ol L7 and 0 chops. )

And I can run diesel thru my gasoline engine for a very short time!!!! ROFLMAO, not... Come on, give us a break...

If you really want to run CO2, buy a used automag or minimag valve...

[RRfireblade]

And I can run diesel thru my gasoline engine for a very short time!!!!

Not even close to the same thing but w/e.

[Kevmaster]

the misnomer here is IF the CO2 is unregulated. Regulated co2, if done correctly, works just fine.

but even when regulated, its inherent properties make it much more volatile.

[jinxed]

the misnomer here is IF the CO2 is unregulated. Regulated co2, if done correctly, works just fine.

Not exactly.
If you heat the downstream CO2, the pressure will increase, and the regulator CAN NOT adjust that. The reg can only raise pressure. It can not lower it.

This is the principle issue with using CO2 on new Mags. As said, the heat generated will cause the pressure to fluxuate wildly. THe reg has no control since the valve is downstream.

Yes, it will still function. Just not very good.

Nick

[ZapTheMad]

I've run my X on CO2. Didn't hurt it at all but I was very careful to keep liquid out. This was only for test firing tho, I would never use it in a game. The biggest problem I encountered was under rapid fire. The CO2 can't keep up with the requirements of the valve and you start dropping off. If the pressure gets low enough, which is easily possible, your valve just sticks. Another thing I noticed is that the internals quickly get dirty on CO2.

CO2 works OK for tuning your marker when set up properly. I use a remote and strap my tank in a vertical position on my bench. But it's not good to play in a game with it at all. It just can't keep up with rapid fire and who doesn't rapid fire an X-valve??? While anti siphon and expansion chambers work well for keeping liquid out, they aren't 100% effective. One mistake and you are gauranteed a valve rebuild. You have all seen what CO2 does to your tank o-ring when you unscrew your tank. Imagine that happening inside your valve.

[batteryfree]

ok well the only reason i want to use co2 is becouse i am going o play with some noobs and wee playing in this kids back yard and everyone thre uses co2, and i can only get 400 shots off of my cheap 45/45 pmi tank. so i just to use this for some random fun woodsball. i dont even need to shoot fast. so even if i get a big *** expansion and an anti siphone tank? becouse i assumedit was just teh liquid co2 that kills the gun.

[FSU_Paintball]

You'd have to be very careful... you don't want to screw up your marker.

The best way of going about it is to have AT LEAST one Palmers Stabilizer on there. I'd recommend getting a female Stabilizer because you can mount them like an ASA for your tank to directly screw into.

Point is, you need something that will absolutely stop the CO2.

[oneworld]

hmmm..

well...first off...get an anti siphon tank...then get a palmerz reg...and then see what happens...
but after buyin all that you would have spent as much or more than it would cost to get a compressed air tank...

[GT]

Not exactly.
If you heat the downstream CO2, the pressure will increase, and the regulator CAN NOT adjust that. The reg can only raise pressure. It can not lower it.

You dont say? This is the same problem X, retro, emag valves have, its called Shoot up. Thus why we chrono differently than any gun on the market. I dont think it matters what gas you use since it is a charateristic of the valve, i.e the physical design of the valve only complicates the issue...

Lets say you set your stab reg to 850psi, do you think you will get a huge valve destroying spike? Probally not, remember that a mag has an intagrated reg it uses prior to pushing AIR into the valve...

Dont quote me on this but I swear I have read a post from Tom that stated if he changed a few parts (maybe reg spring and pin ?) you could run co2 on an Xvalve.

[polemos]

I run CO2 in that same basic configuration on 5 of the bushmasters we own.

Dual regulators with an anti-sipon tank (16-20 ounce) for some time now without any problems.

I have limited experiance with the valve system on Mags. I have the female palmer stab set to 400psi and the Male stab goes from 180-250 depending on the velocity I want.

I see the input pressure needs to be higher on a mag. I have used the females @800PSI seemed to work well. I didn't do exensive testing but the spikes everyone seems to refer to are NON-exsistant.

[TheTramp]

ok well the only reason i want to use co2 is becouse i am going o play with some noobs and wee playing in this kids back yard and everyone thre uses co2, and i can only get 400 shots off of my cheap 45/45 pmi tank. so i just to use this for some random fun woodsball. i dont even need to shoot fast. so even if i get a big *** expansion and an anti siphone tank? becouse i assumedit was just teh liquid co2 that kills the gun.

Concidering all the hassle with remotes, expantion chamber, ect; you might just want to get yourself a SCUBA tank and a fill sation.

[TheTramp]

Dual regulators with an anti-sipon tank (16-20 ounce) for some time now without any problems.

While I do think that it's a cool idea that is sure to work (I like the female Stab. cradle perticuarly) I just don't see the point of putting the better part of $200 worth of regs on a gun just so it can shoot CO2.

Of course if you are doing it "because you can" then more power to you. It looks really sweet.