Whither WAS (Take II)

[Steelrat]

WAS makes a decent product, but his ever-changing stories regarding the FSDO on vikings has made him look like an idiot. He had blamed it on oiling the noids, ram issues, and a variety of other things, but the fact is that once you slap in a pandora board in place of the WAS, the FSDO goes away. Jim just needs to admit his board has an issue.

BUT, I do recognize that the WAS board is what made the viking the gun it is today, and it still aint a bad board. I just cant deal with the deceptiveness of the designer.

[cledford]

WAS makes a decent product, but his ever-changing stories regarding the FSDO on vikings has made him look like an idiot. He had blamed it on oiling the noids, ram issues, and a variety of other things, but the fact is that once you slap in a pandora board in place of the WAS, the FSDO goes away. Jim just needs to admit his board has an issue.

BUT, I do recognize that the WAS board is what made the viking the gun it is today, and it still aint a bad board. I just cant deal with the deceptiveness of the designer.

The Truth!

Some of Jim's deceptions include:

Claimed to be the first person to bring the HES to paintball (one year AFTER the Emag),

said the stock classic Timmy board had massive shoot down (to drum up sales for Equalizer during launch) even though data showing the exact opposite had been posted almost 6 months before (during a reg test),

Has claimed impossible fire (with paint) rates for the Timmy but never posted videos,

Said that his turbo rev board used "advanced algorithms" and "AI" to time ball "slap" in a Revi (never mind the thing was made out of about $4 bucks worth of parts - what the hell is NASA wasting their cash on?),

Claimed the WAS board was able to shoot XXX BPS - then recently found a bug in the code that now fixed allows the Equalizer to 30% faster - then the impossible cycle rate claimed while the bug existed - which meant it was shooting 30% slower then what he stated he "timed" using an electronic timer,

Has publicly accused AKA for EVERY reason under the sun for being at fault for the Viking FSDO - even though the Vikings with Nelson boards don't have it, and neither do the ones with Pandora,

Claimed that in a community of about 4000 markers that 17 people had contacted HIM about AKA capacitor mods "frying" the Equalizer - even though not a SINGLE one of said owners EVER posted in the PBN AKA forum - which is the AO of the Viking/Excalibur world.
(Heck, not one of these "mystery owners even posted in his forum)

Deleted all public record of everything he ever said online.

The guy is a compete liar. AO has known about it for years - now the rest of the world is catching up.

I was one of the first Pandora board owners and had massive FSDO with my 03 Viking equipped with WAS. Even bumping the dwell from 10 to 12 MS did not make it go away completely, nor did completely disassembling/cleaning the ram & solenoid. Dropped the Pandora in and WALLA - even on 8MS of dwell FSDO magically gone!

-Calvin

[-=Squid=-]

I wont ever bash WAS, but I must say that steelrat is exactly right. I wont say that he didnt lie to the consumer, but he makes a good enough product that to be honest, I could care less. My viking doesnt have FSDO anyways

[1stdeadeye]

Jim is at it over on the PBReview threads.

Check this link!

[Lohman446]

Yeh, umm.. the more i thought about this post, the more I realized i had no backign to my claims and did not have the technical or motivational expertise to even begin this discussion, so umm... heres my new post

[teufelhunden]

Hmm... well when someone makes a board, to be programmable with the trigger, and be able to have a debounce of 1... why do we not question their motives? Was the WAS board ever conceived as anything but a cheater board?

I need to admit to no having the technical ability to prove that it is a cheater board, nor do I know anyones intents, Im just curious as to why debounce 1 was left as an option on the WAS board

Well, how about considering that so many guns have the trigger, an LED, and a power button... kinda makes trigger programming necessary. Not everybody wants to bring a laptop to the field. Debounce one is for those guns that won't bounce no matter what you do. Why intentionally lengthen the trigger delay if it isn't going to bounce?

[Lohman446]

Just for the record, this is not a rhetorical question - honest question that I honestly don't know the answer to - not meant to be rude or demeaning in any way.

Have you ever held or seen a marker that could nto be made to bounce on debounce 1?

[-=Squid=-]

Just for the record, this is not a rhetorical question - honest question that I honestly don't know the answer to - not meant to be rude or demeaning in any way.

Have you ever held or seen a marker that could nto be made to bounce on debounce 1?

Yes... its all in the trigger adjustment.

[Lohman446]

Wow.. now that brought this line of questioning to a rather boring end.. darn

[gc82000]

OK I know that I have been in AO long enough to now but I still have no idea what FSDO stands for. Can someone please cure my ignorance

[Digits]

first shot drop off

WAS = cheater.. Plain and simple.. My brother had debounce cranked upto 50, and there was still microswitch bounce.. I don't know if he got rid of it.. But either way the bounce is unbelievable with WAS

[-=Squid=-]

first shot drop off

WAS = cheater.. Plain and simple.. My brother had debounce cranked upto 50, and there was still microswitch bounce.. I don't know if he got rid of it.. But either way the bounce is unbelievable with WAS

Mabe you brother needs to learn how to adjust his trigger.

[GT]

first shot drop off

WAS = cheater.. Plain and simple.. My brother had debounce cranked upto 50, and there was still microswitch bounce.. I don't know if he got rid of it.. But either way the bounce is unbelievable with WAS

Yea I am going to have to call BS on that one to. My old DD half milled only had to be around 3-5 to kill all of its bounce.

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

Bounce is all on trigger setup. I use a Tadao board on my matrix set at db 1 with no bounce but some people can't get rid of bounce at db 20. I guess the same goes for WAS. Cheater boards wouldn't have bounce, they'd have ramping. Bounce would just be from the trigger or a very low db setting.

[cledford]

You know, for a long time (until WAS) no one needed a "debounce" setting. Angels were fast as hell and didn't have one, same with timmies, Raceguns, Ols Shockers (well they weren't that fast but that was due to another problem) - heck NO electro guns had debounce. The manufacturer just hard set bounce at something that worked with all guns and no problem. You cannot convince me that adding debounce was for ANY OTHER REASON OTHER THAN TO PROMOTE CHEATING! There isn't that much of a gain to be had by being able to dial the debounce down right to the edge (the reasoning for debounce) - but there is certainly a reason to adjust it past the bounce point, that equals a quasi-legal full-auto/burst mode. Jim Drew has argued for the "debounce" setting for ever and alway stated that it was for removing bounce from markers (due to tolarances in switches) - but the truth is that a single, conservitive setting was all that was ever needed.

I was watching an Xball practice at Pev's weekend before last and a NUMBER of players were laughing and joking about bounce - and their guns were! At this point there is no difference between it and full-auto. Furthermore, where it really get abused is on the walk-on side - where it can do the most damage.

-Calvin