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  • teufelhunden
    Registered Bamf
    • Jul 2003
    • 2691

    #31
    Debounce adds time into the firing cycle. If you can turn it down without bounce, why not?
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    • SlartyBartFast
      The Flying Scotsman
      • Jun 2002
      • 2940

      #32
      Originally posted by teufelhunden
      Debounce adds time into the firing cycle. If you can turn it down without bounce, why not?
      Debounce of electric switches should be accomplished by a hardwired capacitive circuit. There is no reason whatsoever to worry about 1/1000s trigger pulls with programmed debounce.

      The ONLY reason to look that closely for 'trigger pulls' is because you want to cheat by detecting switch noise.

      Love the hokum from Drew in PBReview.

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      • cledford
        Registered User
        • Feb 2001
        • 1386

        #33
        Originally posted by teufelhunden
        Debounce adds time into the firing cycle. If you can turn it down without bounce, why not?
        Because the amount of time it adds is not that great and to promote the greater good (eliminating an easy cheat) is worth it being gone. Frankly, either allow full-auto and accept it, or dis-allow bounce. It seem stupid to me to ban one in favor of another - just to get around the insurance regulations.

        If "debounce" (which should rightfully be called "bounce" since that is what the majority of users are trying to achieve) isn't so abused why is it that 99% of the threads about it aren't "I used (de)bounce to correct a bouncing problem with my marker" but instead are "I'm at debounce setting 1 and still can't get bounce - what am I doing wrong?"

        I'm not looking down my nose at bouncing or full-auto guns, heck I've got a full auto board in both my Racegun and Viking, I'm just stating that we need to stop the charade and admit what the deal is - that there is an infinitely small number of users out there who have markers with hardware that require them to set the (de)bounce setting above what it would have been set at if the factory had to pick one and put it on everyone's guns - and on the other hand there are a LOT of people out there who are setting their guns up to bounce on purpose. If the adjustable debounce wasn't there then it would be an issue. If the rules say one shot per one pull (regardless of whether you're playing walk-on or tourney ball) those are the rules. Anything else is cheating - so I'm asking why deny it?

        -Calvin
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        ""Jim, back to your cave. Bob Long is on the batphone..."

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        • Jack & Coke
          TUNAMAX No. 1
          • Jul 2002
          • 2644

          #34
          Originally posted by cledford
          The Truth!

          Some of Jim's deceptions include:

          ...said that his turbo rev board used "advanced algorithms" and "AI" to time ball "slap" in a Revi (never mind the thing was made out of about $4 bucks worth of parts - what the hell is NASA wasting their cash on?),

          -Calvin

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          • ilikePB
            Craving Disaster
            • May 2004
            • 703

            #35
            Just listing another company that uses WAS...

            A new company called Alien is using WAS boards in their guns.

            BUSH 2004

            Getting out of PB sale! Cyborg w/Pred 2, Reloader B, Peanut Crossfire, etc!

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            • thecavemankevin
              the living un-banned
              • Feb 2001
              • 4346

              #36
              alien is not new, they have been around for several years now. They fugly thing has never really gotten off the ground. In fact, i don't know if any exist aside from the proto's pictured on their site.

              Don't plan on anything ever happening with that gun or WAS in association with that gun


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              • the larch
                Registered User
                • May 2003
                • 376

                #37
                amen to cledford. Argue all you want, but it's just another form of the old S.P. turbo mode. Side stepping rules for unfair results. IMHO, anyone who would try to argue differently appears silly.
                "[T]he evidence also strongly suggests that neither Billy nor Adam could have invented what is claimed."

                -United States District Court judge G.M. King,
                on Smart Parts' patent claim, August 23rd, 2004, page 16.



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                • ilikePB
                  Craving Disaster
                  • May 2004
                  • 703

                  #38
                  Originally posted by thecavemankevin
                  alien is not new, they have been around for several years now. They fugly thing has never really gotten off the ground. In fact, i don't know if any exist aside from the proto's pictured on their site.

                  Don't plan on anything ever happening with that gun or WAS in association with that gun
                  Oh ok. I just hadn't heard of them till recently. They are coming out with another gun that looks like a smaller b2k, it sounds pretty nice and isn't uglier than all hell like their other one.
                  BUSH 2004

                  Getting out of PB sale! Cyborg w/Pred 2, Reloader B, Peanut Crossfire, etc!

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                  • WARPED1
                    I'm a pirate, ARRRRRRRRRR!
                    • Nov 2001
                    • 7458

                    #39
                    Here's some interesting stupidity: http://www.pbreview.com/comments/?rev=104030&page=2&n=1
                    [Something Cool is Here]

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                    • Jack & Coke
                      TUNAMAX No. 1
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 2644

                      #40

                      The things this board brings to your Impulse over the stock one include the following:
                      - Adjustable debounce timer, so if you want to fool around with debounce firing you can feel free to do so.
                      - Has a better voltage regulation system than the Cricket board, this helps against FSDO.
                      - Eye modes, you can choose between a few, not too usefull but there nonetheless.
                      - Unlimited ROF cap, in case you're some superhuman that can shoot faster than 20-bps without cheating.
                      - The Equalizer also uses a similar eye system, a dual reflective type, pretty similar to other reflective eyes. The difference is you can adjust your eye sensitivity in order to zero in on the specific wavelength of paint that you are using. This is a nice feature to have if you're working with an invisible paint shell color, however if you're not, it makes no difference.

                      The problem is, the board costs $140 and this is all you get. Personally, I wouldn't pay that much money for it.

                      Equalizers are also cheater boards in that they tend to increase rates of fire during relatively high bursts, not exactly noticeable but it is there nonetheless. But you probably won't have problems with this sort of thing.
                      LOL!

                      That dude was funny!

                      Not to mention correct.

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                      • WARPED1
                        I'm a pirate, ARRRRRRRRRR!
                        • Nov 2001
                        • 7458

                        #41
                        Did you see where Jim replied?
                        The review is from a fellow supermod over on shockerowners.com
                        [Something Cool is Here]

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