Why do so many people hate mags...

[magking1971]

The answer is easy,
TWIBS think they are cool if they bash them.

[captain stabbin]

I personally experience little harassmant in regards to my E mag. If you are getting shi*, next time ask the people WHY your mag "sucks".... the truth is, most people besides mag owners know NOTHING about the markers. I've owned every marker out there, and to be honest the sheer tininess and speed of my E mag plus the fact that i NEVER chop will always be first in my mind, regardless of what people might say.

[smartfarts]

smartfart's 2 cents

Honestly though... the rep is not all from ignorance.. tom hasn't really been promoting AGD as a dominant paintball company. When's the last time youv seen an AGD ad in a magazine, watched a mag vid NOt on AO, or (most importantly) seen a popular pro-team use mags? To do well in this industry you have to be loud and look very cool doing it. Tom's just not doing that.

Most people I ask don't know what an Xmag is, or Rogueworks, or what ULE stands for.. the mag they invision is a grey standard feed blender. That sort of mag, im sorry to say, IS dead. Tom needs to promote promote promote the new mags that nobody is paying attention to, to kill the rep.

Also, has anyone shot an emag side by side w/ a newer timmy, trix, or hi-end impulse? It doesn't compare to them. The E was way ahead of its time years ago when AGD released it but expecting that it remain so forever is a fallacy. It needs to undergo a major revamp. Look how many versions of timmies there are; the reason it stays at the pinnacle is because it kept evolving. Evolve, tom!

Right now all we have is "no-batteries". Mags are the BEST mech guns, hands down. Let the world know!

[stip]

I've been playing with a mag for 5-6 years (can't remember ), and I'm really satisfy about it !
Ok, I'm only a Rec-player, so no competition. But my mag has never had a pb (hope it will go on :) ).
AGD proposes some new upgrade (often), instead of other firms that propose new marker instead of upgrade ! lol !! (no name ). And I guess IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND INTERESSTING !!!
The only 'bad side', is that WE (European players) aren't able to find easely AGD products and/or they are VERY expensive !

About the 'mag sucks' ... mhmm ... I thing it's a pb that can't be solved quickly. Think about some other brands (not in Paintball industry), and you will concluded that :
. even the brand is die or buy by another brand ...
. or they innove and after a long time they go back in front of the scene !

So, my conclusion is that this pb CAN ONLY BE SOLVED BY AGD HIMSELF !

This is a real marketing strategy : what about AGD picture in consumer minds ? How can AGD do to increased their market share ? Why young players don't like Mag - maybe they don't know the quality of mag- ? What about prices strategy ?
A lot of questions that the only answer is : " Please refer to Marketing AGD Department " !

Try to remind you the history of Macintoch / Apple vs PC ?!? Look in the past, look at the Apple strategy, and look at the results, today !


L8r

[captain stabbin]

smart farts- i agree with your view on the fact that Tom isn't really promoting as he should, but hey- thats his decision. And for the record, ive shot my old Emag which had 3.2 next to Speeds and a nice classic (mine) and it shot much better in my opinion - Possibly because it had a perfectly tuned x valve and new software- but either way- it was gorgeous. It's all about the money you drop into the sport.

[SanDiegoMag]

Only "Agg" people think mags are gay. My best friend HATES mags, but yet, ALL of his guns have had problems within short peiods of time. My mags have about 1 small leak, which I fix. Also, he CHOPS EVEN WITH EYES! I have a LvL 10 so no worries.

So basicaly "agg" people dont like them, but they dont know better.

[jesseyo13]

I personally loved my mag, served me very well. But when I was looking into my first electro I immediately thought about the emag. But my only problem with the mag line is the efficiency, it was just costing me too much $. I had to fill up 4 times to go through a case on my 68/3000. So I was spending about 16$ just on air, then I got my ir3 and only had to fill up 2 times, only costing me 8$. But I still think that the mag is a force to be recond with. Most people judge the gun on the user too!

[Dayspring]

And most if not all of the 2k2-2k3 series guns were completely the same. A 2k2 with SOB board is the same as a Lasoya with an SOB board as well as a Species with an SOB board.

The bodies changed. The gun didn't.

It wasn't until the 2k4 series came out (Alias, Empire, ND, Russian Legion, Dark) that significant changes were made. A new body does not a new gun make. (The WAS board is a different story, but even then- put a WAS board in all the timmies you want, they all shoot the same.)

Look how many versions of timmies there are; the reason it stays at the pinnacle is because it kept evolving.

[FlawleZ]

I must be in the minority since all the semi-serious players at my field seem to respect my Classic RT. Most of them are younger guys or haven't been in or around the sport when mags and cockers ruled the tourney scene. Once I rapid fire at the chrono or even shoot 14-15 BPS without rapidfiring on a MECH gun, they seem to raise their eyebrows and think "Wow, I guess I DIDN'T know everything about paintball." I usually leave the field that day leaving them a new found respect for mags and mech guns.

[FallNAngel]

or even shoot 14-15 BPS without rapidfiring on a MECH gun

Sorry, I'm calling shenanigans on that... unless you're using RT bounce or you have a DW prototype that none of us know about, there's no way you're pulling 14-15 on a mech. It's hard enough for people to do that on an electro without bounce.

[Havoc_online]

Dont be a Trend Monkey. If you(the one who invested the money) like the mag, does it matter what anyone says?

I used to get crap everywhere I went. A few conversations later, no one even tries to assume they can dog mags around me.

When you take opinion and preference out of the conversation, and leave it upto the engineering, you can show them how ignorant they are.

[coolcatpete]

It doesnt matter, just show them on the field why you and your mag are cooler than them.

[captain stabbin]

I can walk my E mag with X VALVE and 850 Input at about 11 bps in MECH mode, im trying to get a video up somehow but the time just isn't here. 14 or 15 ... hmm.... but hey, maybe with ULT and an X VALVE and 900 input its possible.

[evan123]

Why do people hate mags......

Because there jealous that your gun works everytime you go while they twiddle with there guns.

[Dryden]

The main prob is mags used to be pretty heavy and chop alot

I understand what you mean, but I don't agree with it, at least not everything. The problem isn't that Mags used to be heavy, but rather it's that Mags stayed heavy for 10 years. AGD should be very proud of their history of producing quality, innovative products, but the problem, as I see it anyway, is that the products either hit the market too early or too late. The original Mags' ROF was without compare for nearly all of the '90s, and it took everything else (compressed air, aggitated/force feed loaders) a long time to catch up. AGD set the bar so high with the ReTro. The original Mags' weight was actully very light considering the alternatives of the day. PMI-3/VM-68 anyone? But the ULE bodies and aluminum valves are about 3 to 4 years too late.

The 'blender' problem is a totally different beast, and as near as I have ever been able to tell since I started playing in the late-80s, is 99% attributable to user error, most commonly either short-stoking/double feeding or breaking the old wire-type nubbins that would obviously pose a problem for a paintball. It's now 7 years since I've owned my MiniMag, and the only two times it's behaved like a blender were the result of a sheered wire nubbin that partially obstructed the breech. I've never experienced a random ball chop problem, nor have any of my friends (we own 5 Classics and 3 RTPros amongst us). Though we all have the Level 10 bolt kits now, I personally believe that the plastic nubbin was a far greater technological achievement and 10 years overdue!

The final complaint, and it's always been a fair one I guess, is that Mags are dull, boring, and/or ugly. The design is so simple and perfect, and the thing always works, so that just about any non-AGD aftermarket part is almost guaranteed to make things worse. Outside of the Auto Response frame, there wasn't a really neat upgrade that a Mag owner had to have until about two years ago. Of course, now we finally have tons of goodies to pimp out a Mag with as much bling as we each can afford, but the only people who know this are the ones who visit AO.