Warp or Q-loader

[yakitori]

Id go w/ the warp feed. Its gotta be annoying reloading your Qpods in between matches. Like said above, they dont hold many balls. And if you mount it under the barrel, it is kinda front heavy, your loader may get in the way of sticking your barrel in areas it would go otherwise. regular pods are dispensible. Bigcell, w/ on/off switch will last you a couple months on batts, or a couple cases of paint.

the assumption that a warp feed is only as fast as the loader on top is ridiculous. The guy I bought my emag from ran a 12V warp on a 12V revy w/ xboard and said he never had misfires at ROF of 17 bps. The warp feeds faster than the hopper for around 20 balls or so, then the hopper has to replenish the balls going into the warp. I just put a halo on it cause I like to be assured that there will be no gaps no matter how fast I shoot.

I think you should get a warpfeed, do the bigcell mod w/ on/off switch and put a revy w/ xboard on it.

[mixwell2]

Keeping a gun up while reloading a conventional loader is NOT an easy task.

Let me be really specific: you say you've seen people reload gun up, eyes forward. Is that how YOU reload, every time? If not, why not? Would you benefit from a mechanism which would make doing it easier?

And while you say you can reload whenever you want, what happens when you reload when the halo's not completely empty? You waste paint. You fill what you can and then you scoop and toss the rest out. Most of the time people aren't fitting their entire contents of a pod into their halo; they play the scoop and dump game which takes both time and attention while wasting paint.

I know it's not your fault that the q-loader rep's a little slow on the draw. But perhaps now you can say you're a little better informed?

You are right keeping a gun up is not an easy task...but I can do it and apparently so can everyone with a Q loader

Of course I Don't reload eyes forward all the time...Do you?? Why, because alot of the times ya just don't have to. Would I benefit from something making it eaiser....of course

I don't reload when the Halo is not empty. Like most players I know, we know when the hopper has enough paint in it to accept a full pods load. This means no scooping or dumping.

And since you are being really specific...your whole point of view, which is sound and does have merit, is based on a q loader that is mounted in a location that is in direct line of site when looking forward. So what happens when the Q loader is located in a position where it is not?? You get used to the repetition of the movements and location and are able to look forward with gun up while reloading....just like you would with a warp

So again like I said in my first post...it all comes down to personal feel. I have treid both and like the warp. I am sure you have done the same and like the Q loader better

I guess we will agree do disagree

[mixwell2]

Actually, I'm having trouble understanding this... Because its force fed, it's deemed a physical part of the marker? Is that what the ruling is?

I think the interpretation of the rule in this case is anything that can directly "feed" the balls into the marker without any other outside assistance is considered part of the marker.
Since technically you could use a 10 round tube to feed a warp or just physicaly put the balls in by hand it is considered part of the marker. Since you can't use a pod only to load balls directly into the marker they do not fall under this rule.

I don't think it has to be a force feed marker. A gravity or a aggitating loader may also be considered part of the marker

So any hopper, and warp feed, and a Q loader would all be considered part of the marker

If I have this completly a** backwards someone please correct me.

[mixwell2]

the assumption that a warp feed is only as fast as the loader on top is ridiculous. The guy I bought my emag from ran a 12V warp on a 12V revy w/ xboard and said he never had misfires at ROF of 17 bps. The warp feeds faster than the hopper for around 20 balls or so, then the hopper has to replenish the balls going into the warp. I just put a halo on it cause I like to be assured that there will be no gaps no matter how fast I shoot.

I think you should get a warpfeed, do the bigcell mod w/ on/off switch and put a revy w/ xboard on it.

Yakitori...is it correct that a big cell mod runs around 17BPS while a 12V mod rund around 22bps??

[yakitori]

yes, a regular 9V warp will get around 15-16bps, and the bigcell mod adds about 1-2 bps. Also, the bigcell mod nearly doubles battery life. Esp if you put a switch on it.

The 12V mod will get up to around 22-24bps.

I have warps on both my guns, I just had a bigcell mod w/ switch on one of them done by havoc. The other one is custom modded 12v, it was like that when I bought it.

[AGDlover]

get the warp for comeplete reliablity i love AGD i only have 3 things on my gun that aren't agd Tank cover, Hopper and my barrel

[Empyreal Rogue]

The real deciding factor between the Q-Loader and Warp Feed is: What position do you play?

If you play front you're most likely going to want the Q-Loader. It's lighter, lower overall profile, smaller- perfect for a Front Player (Like myself.).

If you play middle either is fine but the Warp would probably be best.

If you play back then definitely the Warp Feed. The Q-Loader doesn't have a high enough capacity to 'properly' lay down streams of paint.

For my next marker I'm definitely going to buy a Warp Feed. I almost bought one some years ago but the price pushed me away. But now that I have a well paying job and work more (Hoorah for the Summer) I can easily afford to buy a Warp Feed. But I still won't for some more time.

[GoatBoy]

Of course I Don't reload eyes forward all the time...Do you?? Why, because alot of the times ya just don't have to. Would I benefit from something making it eaiser....of course

No, I don't always reload like this. But I constantly hear this argument from other people, and usually it's people running their mouths (not saying that's you, just saying in general). "I keep my gun up and rolling all the time while reloading!" Yeah, right.

I don't reload when the Halo is not empty. Like most players I know, we know when the hopper has enough paint in it to accept a full pods load. This means no scooping or dumping.

Well, then it's safe to say you aren't reloading whenever you want. You reload when the halo gets empty enough to accept a full pod's load. Your argument is that you can reload whenever you want, but it's clear you're only reloading after the halo's been run down far enough to accept a full pod. In order to exercise the freedom of "reloading whenever you want," you will lose time, paint, and attention. The 'scoop and dump' as I call it. Or the scoop and dump + tilt gun forward so you can fit more paint in there.

And since you are being really specific...your whole point of view, which is sound and does have merit, is based on a q loader that is mounted in a location that is in direct line of site when looking forward. So what happens when the Q loader is located in a position where it is not?? You get used to the repetition of the movements and location and are able to look forward with gun up while reloading....just like you would with a warp

So again like I said in my first post...it all comes down to personal feel. I have treid both and like the warp. I am sure you have done the same and like the Q loader better

It's perfectly reasonable to say the q-loader's not always going to be mounted in a position where this is feasible. As I said before, there are only two realistic q mounting options out there currently, and neither of these two I like. The most optimal in my mind hasn't been done yet due to the current mounting socket disaster.



Anyways, it's all good. It's good to see people thinking about things as opposed to just blindly going with the crowd.

[mixwell2]

I agree Goatboy. Debate is a great way to aquire all points of view and improve on ones knowledge.

Yakitori...I did the big cell mod my self and liked it. I just received the 12v from Havoc and tried it out. Did not really notice a diference since it was on my mech mag...but I put it on my teammates 3.2 Xmag. He was consistantly out shooting his stock warp...well not any more. That thing Flies

[Evil Bob]

You want to learn to load fast? Practice. You want to learn how to do it without looking at your hopper? Practice. You want to learn to load quickly while not looking at your hopper while under fire? Practice. Watching TV is a great time to practice loading without looking. Put an hour a day into it for a month or two and it will become second nature, you'll be loading in your sleep.

Reloading is a skill just like any other skill in paintball (snapshooting, bunker hugging, etc.), and like any other skill, it takes lots of practice to refine. You can teach yourself to not look at your loader and load quickly, it all happens through lots and lots of practice.

-Evil Bob

[yakitori]

The real deciding factor between the Q-Loader and Warp Feed is: What position do you play?

If you play front you're most likely going to want the Q-Loader. It's lighter, lower overall profile, smaller- perfect for a Front Player (Like myself.).

If you play middle either is fine but the Warp would probably be best.

If you play back then definitely the Warp Feed. The Q-Loader doesn't have a high enough capacity to 'properly' lay down streams of paint.

For my next marker I'm definitely going to buy a Warp Feed. I almost bought one some years ago but the price pushed me away. But now that I have a well paying job and work more (Hoorah for the Summer) I can easily afford to buy a Warp Feed. But I still won't for some more time.

hey rogue. If you decide to get the warp, go ahead and do the big cell w/ on/off switch. It is very worth it. You will be glad you did. The mod will pay itself off in battery life, and it adds one to a couple of bps speed to the warp. If not the bigcell, at least put a switch on.

anyway, just thought Id let ya know that. you wont regret it. very convenient.

later,
yak

[AGDlover]

where can i get plans/instuctions for the on/off switch???

[yakitori]

https://www.havoc-online.com

[Empyreal Rogue]

hey rogue. If you decide to get the warp, go ahead and do the big cell w/ on/off switch. It is very worth it. You will be glad you did. The mod will pay itself off in battery life, and it adds one to a couple of bps speed to the warp. If not the bigcell, at least put a switch on.

anyway, just thought Id let ya know that. you wont regret it. very convenient.

later,
yak

There's no "if" Yak, I'm definitely going to get it for my next Automag. :)

I absolutely LOVE my Q-Loader but I want another feed system capable of laying down paint. The Q-Loader isn't really a lay-down paint system, it's a quick snap-shooting system. The other reason is because I love the Warp Feed as much as my Q-Loader, which is a lot.

Does the Big Cell mod work on any hopper? I was thinking of just using the AK I still have.

[Z-man]

I suspect you have all seen it by now but I added the Viking video and the one comparing the Halo B and QLoader is coming up soon today.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=143483

On a side not thought it has been said I would like to echo some of the things mentioned

1- Warp/Halo B/Qloader you are NOT going to out shoot them unless you are haveing the electronics shoot for you so you cannot really argue that.

2- Of the 3, the QLoader is the only one that can feed from ony posistion for the entire capactiy. The warp and the Halo still rely on gravity. How important is that? perhaps a bit more for a front player or a scenario player.

3- The QLoader IMHO is NOT for a back player. regardless of if it can be loaded faster or shoots faster, it only hold 100 rounds. Even the Halo B with its smaller 170 round capacity allows you to hold someone in that much longer.