Check out the Nerve hype

[AGDlover]

there blabing about something that hasn't comeout nor tested by the public wow ppl

[firebanex]

the only 2k3 shocker i've seen also was not working and it was just returend from a tune up thingy from SP...

nerve... if it ever comes out it will be another thing to put on the do not buy list along with the other Sp stuff and cockers... I can't touch a 'cocker with out it dieing horribly or me messing it up so i just don't use/barrow/buy 'cockers.

[GT]

Im not an engineer but,

I cant be the only one that thinks that O'rings really were not designed to move and in all honesty are used when tolerences are not that tight....

[tony3]

They didn't sell it to them, there have been rumors that sp traded patent licensing for the use of the matrix design in the 03 shocker.

No one can really say anything about preformance until it comes out. Then again, the god ol' folkes(steelrat) on AO already deemed that the nerve is worse then:

Featherlight viking, at least, before the SP crap forced the price up

Unmilled Excalibur

DM4

Alias

Freeflow cocker

Nexus cocker

Xmag

Without ever holding or firing the nerve. Nice one

[Steelrat]

They didn't sell it to them, there have been rumors that sp traded patent licensing for the use of the matrix design in the 03 shocker.

No one can really say anything about preformance until it comes out. Then again, the god ol' folkes(steelrat) on AO already deemed that the nerve is worse then:

Featherlight viking, at least, before the SP crap forced the price up

Unmilled Excalibur

DM4

Alias

Freeflow cocker

Nexus cocker

Xmag

Without ever holding or firing the nerve. Nice one

Nice misquote. Next time, try bothering to read what someone posts. I pointed out that it COST as much as those guns, and asked why it was worth it. IS that such an unfair question that you need to jump on my case? The advertising for it only mentions the SFT, and I was asking what other features it had to justify the $1200 price. I NEVER said those guns were better than it. Please refrain from attacking me until you get your facts straight.

[LittlePaintballBoy]

tony3

I'm sorry, but you just got pwned.

[Head knight of Ni]

I believe he got pooned. rank increased to #1

[Oh_Davey]

?

Is the $1200 MSRP, if it is isn't the actual price a lot lower?

[joez]

Im not an engineer but,

I cant be the only one that thinks that O'rings really were not designed to move and in all honesty are used when tolerences are not that tight....

DING DING DING!!! We have a winner.

[1stdeadeye]

HAHAHA... Soo much better

As a note, Smartparts DOES own the Matrix design, so this could easily be just a matrix copy...

No, Generation E does. Dye bought GE and threatened to sue SP for patent infringement. SP and Dye traded licenses.

[logamus]

dye bought the matrix patent from genE last spring then made a licensing agreement with sp. sp gets to use the concept behind the trix bolt and dye gets to make electronic markers. dye also has to approve all after market parts for the trix too. thats why evolve quit selling their bolt here.

as far as o rings moving, they are well lubed.

i felt like sp is either going to chop the shockers legs off at the knees with the nerve, or not sell many nevers at all. the nerve is supposed to come with the sp high effeciency bolt stock, but if thats the only real improvement over a shocker, whats the point. i have read a few things about the nerve and i cant really see enough improvement over a shocker to justify it.

[FallNAngel]

The nerve is basically an upgraded Impulse... It's not that they're trying to improve on the Shocker, they're doing something completely different.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

No, Generation E does. Dye bought GE and threatened to sue SP for patent infringement. SP and Dye traded licenses.

Wrong again, Dye purchased all patents involving and the ability to manufacture the Matrix from GenE, not the company itself. Ask Toxic Dave, he'll tell you as much.

As for license trading; That's something neither party has ever acknowledged. Dave DeHaan won't even respond to any questions related to the subpoena and subsequent agreement between the two companies...so why speculate?

[tony3]

Nice misquote. Next time, try bothering to read what someone posts. I pointed out that it COST as much as those guns, and asked why it was worth it. IS that such an unfair question that you need to jump on my case? The advertising for it only mentions the SFT, and I was asking what other features it had to justify the $1200 price. I NEVER said those guns were better than it. Please refrain from attacking me until you get your facts straight.

You said in your post "1200 for the gun itself is kind of hard to swallow" The way I interpreted that is that you are basically saying for 1200 you could get those other guns and the nerve is a lesser gun. I guess it was how I read your post, that's what I got out of it.

[Meph]

Figure if they did "swap designs" then at least the 03shocker could be nicer for maintanence. Matrix I can rip apart nicely. 03shocker has an entire process that has to be followed, real pain. First pull stuff out, then push it out from the breech, then pull the rest out. They better get some "fuse" bolt technology built in next dag nabbit.

And for those that seem to only have heard of the SFT but don't know what it is (many in this thread even). It is an o-ring yes. But "moving" no. It's a groove before the barrel where an O-ring rests. The bolt goes through, fires, and returns. So it's not an o-ring on the bolt like say..... the Tippmann front bolt. Rather a stationary o-ring. So it's not moving.

But it is the biggest crock of spit in the market, next to rifled barrels and closed bolt and venturi bolts and..... well okay you get the idea.


Could be worse. Could be hype saying CO2 is better than HPA at one point, and then later saying HPA is better. I bet probably only 10 people in this entire forum can name the company who hyped that up.