Gforce's 68super vs. HAir Trigger?

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  • AcemanPB
    Exactly
    • Mar 2002
    • 1885

    #1

    Gforce's 68super vs. HAir Trigger?

    EDIT - *BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY COMMENTS* the pictures below are from a PROTOTYPE, it is not the FINAL version, so please spare us the comments about its looks or lack of feedneck(s)

    I don't know if this is old news but I just read this on FON. Apparently it's a mech gun with an electro-like trigger. The gun obviously doesn't work like a mag but I was just wondering if nicad and deadlywind were aware of this. According to the article it's been four years in the making. They also said the gun will retail for around 700 dollars minus the barrel and reg, thats a pretty competitive price.

    G-Force showed up today ( Friday) at the IAO with a new product in hand. After over four years of testing and fine tuning, they have the near final prototype of their new fully pnuematic marker the 68Super. This has no electronics in it whatsoever so you probably are asking.."whats the big deal then?" It will shoot friggin fast and has a trigger pull like an electro!



    Thats right. This baby is fast. The version he has here is chocked off inside so he can get lots of air per cycle for players to check it out but it acuates so fast that you can actually walk the trigger. Try walking any other pnuematic trigger. Another thing to note is that it has no kick. The designer and owner of G-Force, Garfield Jong, said they looked at three things when building it. Rate of Fire (25+), zero Kick for a balanced system, and Zero Ball chop.

    They accomplished all three it seems. To prevent ball chop, they did not use eyes of any type since as I said, there are no electronics in the marker. Instead, they got the psi by the ball down to an amazing 6.5 PSI. Not only will this prevent any type of chopping but it will also add to the consistency between shots. Accuracy should be another result of the design as it is a true closed bolt system. Now that Excaliburs are no longer in production, the Autococker is pretty much the only other true closed bolt system out there.

    The design is based around their gemini system of dual regulators. They first released this as an upgradible option for cockers but its design has been for the 68Super all along. While they could not go into specifics on the internal operation due to pending patents, they did let us know there are no hammers, valves, springs, etc. It is truly a fully pnuematic marker.

    The gun should be in production and ready to ship within the next month. It will retail for $688 ( without a barrel or reg since most players have that already they said). It will tke cocker threaded barrels. It will need compressed air ofcourse due to the rate of fire and input through the reg should be 160-180 psi with 60-70 psi for the firing cycle. With this dual regulating system, once it is set there is no timing to be done at all. Also, you can not short stroke the trigger at all. Here are the bullet points as listed on the flyer and when they get a production model ready we will have more on it for you. The pictures shown are just prototypes. Production will have a much shorter profile and cuts and more.

    * Light Weight compact body design
    * Balanced zero-recoil firing system
    * Hyper-tuned hir trigger system
    * Dual LPR regulators for internal pnuematics
    * Dedicated LPR for the bolt system
    * Dedicated LPR for the firing system
    * Dynamic firing preassure
    * Unlimited ROF - No cap on BPS
    * Frictionless ball detent
    * Closed bolt operation

    If you want to contact the guys check out www.gforcepb.com

    Last edited by AcemanPB; 07-23-2004, 11:38 PM.
  • GotMag?
    Tom Kaye is my hero.
    • May 2004
    • 258

    #2
    sadly, paintbal is all about style, no one is gonna buy it for that much if it looks like that
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    Barrel: 12'' Freak (I know, I know) or 10" stock RT PRO
    Hopper:12vlt X-Board Revvy

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    • Pballwizz
      Registered User
      • Oct 2002
      • 626

      #3
      Maybe itd be better if they added a feed neck...crap, the need a roll eyes smilie on here. BTW, 200th post, w00t!!!

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      • AcemanPB
        Exactly
        • Mar 2002
        • 1885

        #4
        Read the article a little more closely, it's a prototype. I'm sure the final version of the gun will be just as shiny as any other paintball gun. And look at it this way, there prototype is already looking better than the DM4 so they are on the right track!

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        • SpecialBlend2786
          Registered User
          • Jun 2003
          • 4023

          #5
          The body will probably be milled a bit on the final version. Right now it reminds me of those CCM bodies. Looks interesting, I wonder if videos are out.

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          • xXhAppyAznXx
            Ken, Eagle Scout
            • Mar 2003
            • 2473

            #6
            The trigger frame is retarded. A wasted 4 years I would declare.


            I do know the AO sig rules, I just want a free sig pic, that's all! :mad:

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            • Carbon
              Word!
              • Jan 2003
              • 1589

              #7
              I love pics of prototype anything. It make that object more sleeper looking.

              Anyway, the price would be the selling point of this bad boy. As anyone can see the potential for what the fifished product look like.

              ...ever in the continual search of time dilation.

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              • The Spanish Inquisition
                no one expects him.
                • May 2004
                • 233

                #8
                6.5 psi !! Wow thats pretty low isn't it. Anything else compete with that?

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                • DyeScapy
                  "Nice Mag, Dude!"
                  • May 2004
                  • 33

                  #9
                  Pretty Nice!

                  Its Sweet. I cant wait to see this gun on the field. I Hate electric guns. If the trigger is that light i may have to sell my mag.
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                  • Jack & Coke
                    TUNAMAX No. 1
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 2644

                    #10

                    ...Accuracy should be another result of the design as it is a true closed bolt system. Now that Excaliburs are no longer in production, the Autococker is pretty much the only other true closed bolt system out there...

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                    • Carbon
                      Word!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 1589

                      #11
                      J&C. yeah i was loling at that too. It seems "closed bolt accuracy" is still a valid seeling point these days. go figure.

                      ...ever in the continual search of time dilation.

                      Emag 4.0 "I love the way you turn me on"

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                      • Destructo6
                        Registered User
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 549

                        #12
                        6.5psi is the closing pressure for the ram, not the firing pressure. You can do the same thing on an Autococker with the special 3-way and 2 LPRs (note the two MicroRocks in the rear?). 60-70psi is what pushes the ball and 50-125psi is the normal range, according to AGD.

                        The gripframe sort of looks like an extended WGP hinge, without the radiused edges.
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                        Your parents, a body.
                        Your country, a rifle.

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                        • G3PB
                          Registered User
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 91

                          #13
                          I talked to Garfield about this gun years ago after he first started on it. As far as the "plain" body. I honestly believe the only reason Cockers became so popular was because of their ability for custom milling. Now, everyone buys the same gun as everyone else, changes the ram, throws a cheap tubing barrel system on it, and calls it custom.

                          Nice thing about Garfield and GForce, I'd bet any amount of money that when released, it will be amazing. Whether he can provide "Prior" art for DeadlyWind, I can't say...but I can say if there were anything patentable, then he's already gone after it.

                          If the customization that exists today for the Mag was around 5 years ago, no telling where it would be now.

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                          • OysterBoy
                            Fatty McChubbercookie
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 1409

                            #14
                            LOOK CLOSER! THERE IS A PLASTIC (TEMP) CLEAR FEEDNECK!


                            Sorry, but I had to bring that to attention.

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                            • JimmyBeam
                              Registered User
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 1105

                              #15
                              sadly, paintbal is all about style, no one is gonna buy it for that much if it looks like that

                              i dont see why people have to hate on this marker. its only a prototype, which means its the first fully functional product. styling and looks dont matter yet as long as it proves that it functions the wya its supposed to. wait till you or one of your friends get the chance to fire it before you condem it. who knows, maybe its what everyone is looking for, or maybe its not. dont judge it just because its a unmilled proto

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