My field just got a new self fill system...

[Blazestorm]

SlartyBartFart - I was saying it was the loss of the field for their negligence. That mother did nothing wrong, she didn't know any better. The field's should be the ones correcting the stupid people and doing it right, not the other way around. I'm not saying there aren't other losses, but I'm saying the people that neglected proper safety are losing something.

Nothing we can do about it really, it's too widely accepted, Only once have I gotten a true fill, which is where the guy took about 6-7 minutes at a shop to fill my tank, he was one of the older guys who's been working at the shop for 10+ years (it's been around for 15) and knows pretty much everything, and read up on safety of nitro-tanks, which is why he fills slow... if anyone else is manning the fill station.. you get a nice... 5-10 second flash fill, which goes from 4500 psi down to 3500 psi in a couple of minutes.

I'll continue to ask for a slow fill every-time I get a fill, but that's all I can do.

[FSU_Paintball]

NCPA orlando had compressors hooked up... only took a few seconds to fill tanks.

I keep hearing about the dangers of flash-filling, and I'd be inclined to agree... except I have NEVER, not ONCE, heard of a tank exploding due to anything, much less due to flash filling. And there's a LOT of people doing that to their tanks.

I wouldn't sweat it too much

[toymyster]

The pushbutton stations do slow down the flow a bit, and arn't too bad!! Beware of the idiots that fill your 112ci in 2 seconds, and when they hand it back to you, it burns a hole in your glove!!

[SlartyBartFast]

Beware of the idiots that fill your 112ci in 2 seconds, and when they hand it back to you, it burns a hole in your glove!!

According to every bottle manufactuere, the correct course of action once a bottle has reached a temperature too hot to hold comfortably:

-Empty it.
-Drill a big hole in it.
-Discard.

Once overheated the composite is shot.

[tony3]

Ahh, the wonderful respect for safety as demonstrated by the general paintball playing public.

I guess all the firefighters are just big wusses considering the explosion shields and containers that they use to fill SCBA tanks.


One day, a 10 yr old is going to lose an arm and half their face when their tank explodes. How the insurance industry allows this situation to exist I have no idea. I thoroughly don't understand how the various compressor companies can essecntially be in cahoots with these practices either.

Part of the reason for my thread.
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=146677

I've never called them wusses, braver then me, I'd never become a fire fighter. That is besides the point. 168 teams were registered for chicago open, say each team plays 7 games, and their are 10 people on a team, even though their is 5 man, but some people need to fill their nitro tank multiple times during an xball match, so thats about right, so lets say 11,000 fills total. Now lets say 3 other tournies this year, then take the 5 from last year, we are at around 90,000 fills. Not one death or injury from a tank exploding. Take into account all of the other fills every year. Good odds if you ask me.

[Digits]

Ahh, the wonderful respect for safety as demonstrated by the general paintball playing public.

I guess all the firefighters are just big wusses considering the explosion shields and containers that they use to fill SCBA tanks.


One day, a 10 yr old is going to lose an arm and half their face when their tank explodes. How the insurance industry allows this situation to exist I have no idea. I thoroughly don't understand how the various compressor companies can essecntially be in cahoots with these practices either.

Part of the reason for my thread.
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=146677

Do you even know how many safety percautions are in these tanks?? And do you know how thick the carbon fiber/steel is?? A guy I know, who took a course on this stuff told me that only about an inch or two round in the bottle is actual air.. The rest is carbon fibre and such.. Plus there are burst disks which make sure tanks don't blow up if filled to fast.. Also.. Carbon fiber and tanks alike in paintball are built to crumble a certain way.. They don't expload, they more-so crumble down.. And i'm sure there are many more contraptions built into tanks, I just never bothered to ask him..

Also.. About the CO2 tank hitting the mother in the head.. That is another reason why C02 tanks are so freaking unsafe.. If you've tankin a reg of a CO2 tank, and a ref of an HPA tank you would know what i'm talking about.. Regs on CO2 tanks, the threads are like half an inch long.. A person probably wouldn't notice if this type of thing is unscrewing.. But a reg on an HPA tank, the threads are like 2 inches long.. Unless you were retarded you would know that something is up when your unscrewing your tank..

Plus the only reason the bottle came off of the CO2 tank and hit the mother is because the idiot kids plugged a safety feature in the reg which bleeds the air out of the tank before it can be fully deatatched from the reg.. Thats what happens when people that don't know what there doing try to screw around with there tanks and install crap on them.

Oh and 9 minutes for a fill is just flat out retarded.. It would take forever to get everyone ready at a tournament unless they had a crapload of fillstations going at once, and alot of the smaller tourny's couldnt afford that.

[trains are bad]

A guy I know, who took a course on this stuff told me that only about an inch or two round in the bottle is actual air..

This is so rediculous someone should sig it.

[Digits]

what are you talking about.. There is a tube, in the center of the bottle.. The rest is carbon fibre/steel.. Maybe it's a bit bigger then an inchor two, I don't know forsure, but I know the majority of the bottle is wrapping.. But trust me, he has no reason to lie, he is a certified tech on almost every gun out there, and took a course on this stuff..

You know those big steal scuba tanks.. There is only a tube in the center of those to that hold air..

Maybe your to ignorant to believe this, but i'd rather believe a guy who took a course on it then some guy who thinks he knows.

[trains are bad]

dude, the bottle holds 68 cubic inches or whatever it may be. It's obviously a metal tank, wrapped with fiber. I doubt the walls are thicker that 3/8". I havo never looked in one be geez just going by the heft, something doesn't add up.

[abunkerer]

HAHA...good stuff.. :rofl:

Anyway, now that we are talking about tank failures I just saw one last weekend. THe field uses "push button" fill your own stations, pretty much "flash fills". a guy on a team that we practice with was putting his gear into the trunk of his car when all of a sudden PSHHHHHHHHHH, I thought someones macro blew or something and I look over and see this guy running, Holding the back of his head, and this tank spinning out of controll flipping around...I dove behind my car until it stopped.
The guy took a nice shot in the head, luckily the tank was only half full and the bottle had a cover on it, he had a nice sized red bump and was stunned like he'd been jacked by Mike Tyson.
Upon inspection of the pure energy 4500 tank it seemed as though the oring blew out where the regulator screws onto the bottle, the bottle was a year or two old but was still in hydro. And when it blew it was not being banged around or anything, the thing literally jumped out of the trunk of his car and went out of controll for no reason! Maybe the flash fills wore out the seal? always getting hot flash fills and then being shot like mad for a game causing rapid cooling down and then back to the fill station(free fills so people frequently top off between games)
As the sport of paintball gains more populatity, and more and more people begin to use compressed air, and the intensity of the game gets harder on the equipment physically, and this equipment starts to get old and wear out..more incidents like this are likely to appear.

[Digits]

dude, the bottle holds 68 cubic inches or whatever it may be. It's obviously a metal tank, wrapped with fiber. I doubt the walls are thicker that 3/8". I havo never looked in one be geez just going by the heft, something doesn't add up.

lol.. Not according to the guy.. And I know he knows what he's talking about.. They even showed them a blown tank at the course he took to see how it shattered..

Oh and I would not trust a tank with only 3/8" of an outer shell.. Honestly, the body can withstand something like 12 psi (inside) before it rips the skin from the muscle.. This is 3000psi in a tank.. I think i'd want a little more than 3/8" of protection.

[RoboBeaver]

umm, i do not think that tanks really shatter, more like BANG, my aunts pool filter, which is like a really big fiber tank, blew the hell up acouple summers ago, and it woke us up, it got sand into the pol, which was about 15 feet away from the filter, the thing blew apart, it didnt shatter.

and even if a tank did shater, that sounds alot like shrapnel, , and that seems alot more dangerous, flying peices of tank, instead of just the tank popping.

[RoboBeaver]

i did alittle searching, http://www.diveandsea.com/dive_newsletter.htm

yep, this tank really shattered, how safe

this wasnt due to flashfilling, but it just shows that tanks do not shatter, it also shows a cross section ish vew of the top of a scuba tank, please note that the tank does NOT just have a small cylander in the middle

there ya go

ill look more , so if i find anything, ill post it again i guess

holy double posts, batman!

[Digits]

doesnt look like a paintball tank to me.. But either way the guys lucky he wasnt back there with it.

[RoboBeaver]

you said scuba tanks work the same way

i figured you "guy" took a course in scuba gear, or was it paintball gear,, but tanks dont just blow happily, heh

You know those big steal scuba tanks.. There is only a tube in the center of those to that hold air..