ACE Board vs. Predator II! Round 1!

[FragTek]

This just means that it doesn't "sample" the trigger at all. In essence, its always listening for the switch to make contact (or break contact). If you link this voltage to a flag (high on, or low on, either one) in the software, when the switch breaks the circuit, the flag changes state, and the fire cycle is started. You'd need a good debounce circuit to make sure that you don't pick up a bunch of switch bounce though. Therein lies the "fast, fast, fast" .

If switching trigger sample rates (or styles) magically increases your ROF, you need to increase your debounce setting.

The old Morlocks worked like this too, someone's just invented a new buzz word to describe it (not that the way they check the switch is bad, mind you).

I personally think the Pred II is the best bang for the buck (for a single 'noid marker that is) out there right now.

I just find it amusing to see people comparing it to its nearly identical twin brother, and actually saying that one or the other is better. Basically, the only difference between the Pred II, and the Mini Morlock is the firmware on the ROM (and even that is (or will be) very similar in function).

As always, I could be totally full of crap though.

Yes, VERY fast fast fast. No more need for a processor to boost trigger checks

I was under the impression it could be used with dual noid markers as well, is it only setup to be used on single noid markers? *cant seem to find anything about that on the Pred info page, and I lost the link to the manual*

[CoolHand]

Yes, VERY fast fast fast. No more need for a processor to boost trigger checks

I was under the impression it could be used with dual noid markers as well, is it only setup to be used on single noid markers? *cant seem to find anything about that on the Pred info page, and I lost the link to the manual*

Yeah, you can, but you don't have as much control over the dwell for the second 'noid.

This is right from the Pred II manual:

Here's where it says it will run two 'noids.



Here's the programming registers. Notice that the accessory/solenoid2 register has only four (4) settings for dwell. If you need finer dwell control (say for a cocker), then the Pred II is not the best solution.



Later

[Sinistarr]

KM2, developed the Morlock, and its predacessors to use break beam or reflective eye technology years before paintball marker manufacturers decided to use it.

If you go to www.exarin.com you will see that KM2 and TAGSportz are now partners. The bottom line is that the very finest aftermarket board is manufactured by KM2 and developed with TAGSportz to offer you, the paintball players, the very best and most functional after market upgrades/options available today. It is only going to get better.

KM2 pioneered putting eyes in electonic markers years ago. This is proven technology, and is being refined every week.

The debounce is micro fine adjustable in .250ms steps. not 1ms steps as in most other boards out there. You can find the absolute ragged edge of bounce in your trigger. This can also help monitor the wear on your trigger switch, as the bounce will change with age and wear on the switch.

Doc Nickel has installed many morlocks. He has also installed and tested the Predator II and was impressed by the functionality and speed of the board. The Mini Morlock is the same board with slightly different software for dual solenoid markers.

The predator/predator II can use either break beam or reflective eyes. It is the fastest board out there right now. It's only limitation is the speed of your loader, and the limits of the pneumatics of the marker. The predator and morlock can outrun most markers out there. This is where you find the fastest, most durable markers made, and see where they fall short.

The mini morlock/predator morlock does all of the same things the predator can do, plus it has greater control over a second solenoid as is used in older shockers, rainmakers, and a few other dual solenoid markers.

OOPS.. removed the stupid part.

[CoolHand]

. . . . . The mini morlock/predator morlock does all of the same things the predator can do, plus it has greater control over a second solenoid as is used in older shockers, rainmakers, and a few other dual solenoid markers.

Oh, and btw, most cockers use 1 solenoid as far as I know. I may be wrong, but I have never seen a dual solenoid e-cocker. It is only moving 1 ram.

Yes, one ram, but also one electro-mechanical solenoid to trip the sear.

Now, I'm no ECocker expert, but the lowest one of the 4 dwell settings for the second solenoid on the Pred II is 250 ms, which would effectively reduce the ROF to 4bps (right? I'm fairly sure that 250 ms = .25 s).

What I do know for certain, is that if you have that solenoid activated too long, the sear won't catch the hammer lug when it comes back. With no recock of the hammer and spring, you've just had what is essentially an electronic short stroke.

Banana Man feels the love for the boys down at KM2 -

Ya done good fellas.

Later

[shatter_storm]

Oh, and btw, most cockers use 1 solenoid as far as I know. I may be wrong, but I have never seen a dual solenoid e-cocker. It is only moving 1 ram.

Something has to trip the sear to release the hammer lug, and that something is a solenoid. Cockers have to use two solenoids to operate - they could only fire or cycle but not both without a second solenoid.

Nice promo speech for your board tho. [/sarcasm]

[Sinistarr]

Yes, one ram, but also one electro-mechanical solenoid to trip the sear.

Now, I'm no ECocker expert, but the lowest one of the 4 dwell settings for the second solenoid on the Pred II is 250 ms, which would effectively reduce the ROF to 4bps (right? I'm fairly sure that 250 ms = .25 s).

What I do know for certain, is that if you have that solenoid activated too long, the sear won't catch the hammer lug when it comes back. With no recock of the hammer and spring, you've just had what is essentially an electronic short stroke.

Banana Man feels the love for the boys down at KM2 -

Ya done good fellas.

Later

Ok, I'll be quiet about cockers now... I stand corrected. (I knew there was something evil about cockers)

[shatter_storm]

Ok, I'll be quiet about cockers now... I stand corrected. (I knew there was something evil about cockers)

Yeah, cockers break every week for no other reason than to ruin someone's day. (Can you tell I've just finished techiing all sorts of cocker problems)

Sorry, had to release some stupid-people-mess-with-their-pneumatics-and-then-expect-me-to-fix-it rage. All better.

[Sinistarr]

Yeah, cockers break every week for no other reason than to ruin someone's day. (Can you tell I've just finished techiing all sorts of cocker problems)

Sorry, had to release some stupid-people-mess-with-their-pneumatics-and-then-expect-me-to-fix-it rage. All better.

I know your pain. I have owned cockers, and I have worked on a few too. Go have a beer and relax.

[evan123]

Predator, great quality and the eyes are awesome. Go for the predator.

[Chris Nearchos]

Boards

Are there any other boards out there that would work better?