AGD - auto response and scenarios?

[Skoad]

Since you guys have made a stride into scenarios I was thinking....Since full auto and burst modes are sometimes allowed, why not bring back your old favorite autoresponse trigger?

I'm not sure on the rules on it but I though it would fit under the burst (or zip as they call it in the scenario rules) fire category.

I don't know how hard/expensive it would be but i remember seeing pictures of someone's modified benchmark frame:





Again I don't know exactly how proline's response frame worked as I cannot find pictures of the insides anywhere.

I do remember you talking about how you loved yours :)

[MindJob]

AGDJON had one Saturday at AO-NJ4 on his RTP. It was without a doubt the fastest gun on the field.

[Skoad]

I've never seen one actually shoot (besides video compliments of www.webdogradio.com http://www.webdogradio.us/shorts/Kaye.wmv ) but I remember Tom saying:

I absoulutely LOVED and ADORED that gun! I still have it in that exact configuration and it remains my favorite gun of all time. Why? Because its the fastest shooting MECHANICAL gun on the planet. It has controllable firing rate, you can dial the BPS out the barrel like a volume control because it's so easy to shoot. And last but not least it is absoulutely, positively, unstopably the fastest two shot snap shooter in existence.

That gun was TWICE as fast as all the other guns of its day. That would be like taking the field now with a 22 BPS Angel and going to play rec ball. I could mow the lawn with that gun! We played woods ball and if you hid behind bushes...I could just cut a hole through and get you. If you hid behind a tree I could pound you so bad you just took cover until I walked up still shooting and did you.

The only reason I put it down was because they made it illegal. Damn I miss that gun...

AGD

[tyrion2323]

With such a funky sear/trigger rod, would you be able to get reactivity?

I can go full-auto with my mag tuned right (mostly because I haven't figured out how to change it via shims) and I can't imagine shooting TWICE as fast as that!

I'm starting to want one of these!

NOTE: I do not condone full-auto via any sort of cheating or reactivity.

[Skoad]

can anyone find pictures of the old proline frame with insides?? I can't seem to find any.


It would be cool if we could confirm it's legal under the www.scenariopaintball.com paintball rules because I am sure they are widely accepted.

[G3PB]

Skoad, The photos are mine. You're looking at the insides...that's all there is....

[Skoad]

So thats exactly how the old prolines were?

[G3PB]

So thats exactly how the old prolines were?

That's all there is....just a note, it makes for a long and stiff trigger pull. I've thought more than a fre times to get Jackal Machine to make these things but I really doubt many players would like it.....

[Skoad]

Yea I have read that about them, but doesn't seem like a really big deal to me. I wonder how hard it would be just to custom make that sear and dremel out room for it. Hooking up the spring wouldn't be too hard.

[louie]

After shooting Jon's gun Saturday, I'm going to try to look for an autoresponse frame. That gun was FUN to shoot. The trigger was stiff and long but when you're seeing the stream of paint, its well worth it.

[Skoad]

I would love to mow down some of those a-5's with one of these.

[G3PB]

Yea I have read that about them, but doesn't seem like a really big deal to me. I wonder how hard it would be just to custom make that sear and dremel out room for it. Hooking up the spring wouldn't be too hard.

It's a box stock sear. Reason it looks like the photo is is that is the old design sear. Notch was, of course, to clear the links but it is not necessary when using a later model sear.

[Skoad]

So basically you can use a regular mag sear, then add on the black part and spring and your done?

[G3PB]

So basically you can use a regular mag sear, then add on the black part and spring and your done?

Very basically, yes.....putting these parts in another frame requires the frame to be opened up inside. All the original AR frames were single trigger. When we first started building these we would just cut the guard off and use a two-finger trigger shoe but many years ago, insurance required trigger guards so we just installed the guts into BM two-finger frames. Like I said, the top needs some milling out to make room for the internals plus the lower spring location has to milled into the frame. Top of the trigger modified a little if you want the safety to engage, etc. Probably be easier to install the guts into a IFrame since they seem to have plenty of room inside plus they already have a spring attachment point......

[trains are bad]

FWIW, the BATFE has ruled that triggers that fire once on the pull and once on the release are considered semi-auto and are not restricted in any special way. People (stupid people) sometimes mod mini-14s to do this.