2005 Autococker(tm)

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

My guess all that it will require is a different manifold for Eblades to attach. Afterall notice the rod on the other side of the marker coming off the frame, the 3way is integrated into the ASA, notice the bulge on the side. Probablly the front is threaded with something similiar to their CT 4way and the "guts" slide out, so you will just need a manifold threaded the same.

Az

[trains are bad]

true, and im glad that wgp is making an entry level autococker. but what im afraid of is that all of wgp's autocockers, or at least the majority of them, will become lower end.

they already have! where's the high end cocker in the pictures above? the top one is the only one that looks even middle of the road.

[Doc Nickel]

Pardon me for interrupting this anger-fest, but why does everyone simply automatically assume these are replacements for the Autococker line, and not additions to it?

When the WorrBlades came out, did they stop selling Black Magics?

The way I see it, these are a new line, designed and aimed entirely and only at competing with the cheap Wal-Mart/K-Mart markers. And in that case, upgradability is irrelevant, since the vast majority of them don't upgrade, typically not even barrels, let alone milling and anodizing.

But you and I will still be able to get WorrBlades, STOs, Black Magics and whatever else, from "real" paintball retailers, for however long K2/WGP feels they can make a buck off of them.

Doc.

[Destructo6]

I have a hard time believeing that the entire 2005 WGP line consists of sub-$300 markers. Perhaps, this is their bottom-rung line that is intended to compete, price point and everything, with Spyders.

I don't see why you couldn't Eblade it. The Eblade's solenoid housing doesn't have to screw into the 3-way hole: the threaded hole was simply convenient.

Give it a couple of months before making a final judgement. It would help, though, if WGP would release some sort of press statement, setting things straight.

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

Those are very ugly and on top of that not very upgradeable. Those are a disgrace to cockers imo.

[GT]

it has a built in 3-way, so i dont think that you can put an e-blade on it.

I don't see why you couldn't Eblade it. The Eblade's solenoid housing doesn't have to screw into the 3-way hole: the threaded hole was simply convenient.

My point exactly. If you were in a pinch you could duck tape it to the barrel....

anyways,
When the corvette went from SAE to metric did aftermarket companies stop making 'vette parts? Hell no, there was to much money to be made. I give it at most, 6 months after they release before there are "aftermarket" parts that make it "better."

[MaChu]

I think it looks good for the price, a defenite thumbs up in my book considering the autocockers before this were outrageous for the performance/price.

Umm and yeah I see no problem of throwing an Eblade on there with a little modification. Lets see the trigger frame looks the same, so there is the Eblade frame slap on, and the 3way solenoid can just be mounted anywhere, either by a aftermarket mounting plate(that will be produced I guarantee) or taking out the integrated 3way and threading the hole to accept the solenoid, as long as hoses reach the front reg and ram everything is fine. It also looks like the front reg can be unscrewed and the ram also. QEVs might be problem though, but you could turn the ram so that they face outwards, hey looks ugly but works

The only problem I see with the gun is the integrated 3way, mostly because it will be difficult to mod it to accept a better one. But seeing how people don't go to a tricked all mechanical cockers anymore and straight to an eblade, I see this point as null anyways.

But I want to see if the internals have changed any. They might have cheaped out major there like sears, hammers, valves, etc. If they are cheap sears like walmarts BE guns where they wear down in 2 seconds, or the hammer is 10lbs like all the walmart guns Ive fixed at the local shop, or anything of that nature will be a big annoyance also, but again you get what you pay for. Also if all the internal parts are unique to where they won't accept earlier stuff that would be bad also, but I highly doubt they would do that considering they probably have a huge inventory of parts from the 2k4.

[penguinpunk555]

I like old cockers better.

[dynastyfan]

honestly i am very excited about this change besause ive always wanted a cocker but i didnt want to shell out the 350 for a new one this is good for broke people like me.

[slade]

okay maybe i was wrong, i thought that the new design with the intergrated 3-way wouldnt allow an e-blade without heavy modification. i dont know all that much about cockers (my main reason for wanting to get one)

i still like the old design better. its okay with me if this is just a low end line of cockers, but what im afraid of is that k2 will try to cheapen the whole line.

[Shingo]

I have a feeling that WGP is planning ahead. I doubt WGP will completely drop their current high end cockers because this.

Think about it this way, if a noob goes to walmart and buys his/her first new marker there is a chance that he/she will want to buy what everyone else is buying.... another autococker. Being a noob, $$$ flow usually is tight since mommy and daddy thinks this hobby is too expensive, so they'll go for a cheaper version. Down the line when the 'kid' get more serious in the sport, they'll want to buy a better marker. Since they started off with a lower end cocker, there is a GOOD chance that they will buy a higher end cocker in the future.

Basically, people stick to what they know. Like many of us who had classic mags and upgraded to our emags, noobs with this cheapo cocker will someday upgrade to another cocker.

~Shingo~

[tony3]

If they release a electro cocker for 400 with eyes installed, they are going to get lots of buisness.

They are just trying to compete with the low end spyders. I mean a stock cocker was 320 and for 80 more you could get an impulse that was a much more tournement geared gun then the stock cocker. They should include some of those things with antichop bolts like on the dragun flys. Step in the right direction IMO. WGP really hadn't been doing much in the high end market, now I see why.

[SpecialBlend2786]

Yeah, I agree with Doc....The Karni just came out maybe a year ago, and the E2 frame is now here, i doubt that this is all WGP will be producing.

And if you want a cheap cocker, ANS GenX-3's are only like $280 now....with all the purdy anno colors

[soccer4minimags]

Whoa, I guess I am one of the few that actually likes these.

I think its great they are doing this, and I've been through my fair share of cockers.

Before we all jump all over this gun has anyone actually seen pictures of the 3 way side. It may not be as terrible as everyone makes it sound.

Lastly, since when have mech cockers been bad. I have no problem keeping up on the field with anybody with a 2k3, I can't see how these will be any worse. Its all in the user.

Honestly I am looking forward to this single trigger hinge, and I plan on buying one of these regardless.

[tony3]

Another things a lot of people are missing is WGP doesn't WANT people messing with the gun. Imagine a 12 year old newbie messing with a cocker? Disaster. This way you can't mess with the timing really, so the gun always works.