'03 Shocker Ultimate Pkg

[xprod77]

for $890 - Brand new w/Vision and 68/4500 Max Flow tank. Good deal, right? I'm thinking of jumping to the dark side for that kind of a deal. Please convince me to stay away from the dark side...it's soooo tempting though!!


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[digitard]

3 words

multiple part replacements

I honestly dont know anyone who hasn't had to endure a decent amount of "downtime" w/ their shocker. I'll stick w/ Vikings and mags.

[XbeasleyX]

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Shockers are just an ugly POS gun that WILL break down on you. Just buy an E-Spyder .

[elpimpo]

jump on it like a fat kid on cake... if u dont like it sell the gun for like 700 and keep the maxy or sell that for like 250

[FragTek]

Xprod, fight the temptation... At that price, it's STILL overpriced.

Let me give you a run down on what you're looking at is actually worth:

Vision Shocker: $50, some change, and a good wad of pocket lint
MaxFlow: $18 and a bubble gum wrapper

For the love of God don't buy a Shocker, would you rather spend more time playing or more time fixing your gun?

[oldsoldier]

Lots of people have shockers at my field...most hardly ever work all day. One, a SERIOUS FSDO problem (like 5 shots to get it to work). IMHO, I'd say no. They do fire fast...but, its hard to piano the trigger, due to short trigger guard. Also, seriosu gas hogs. But, these are only my opinions.

[CoolHand]

If it really is brand new, jump on it.

Resell it if you don't want to play with it.

Don't listen to all the cheese heads baggin on everything with a target logo on it.

I swear, most of AO has degenerated into the same thing that PBNation is made fun of for.

Its all about the bandwagon. Only this time, the bandwagon is filled with the "I'm not on the bandwagon!" people.

Just remember folks - the anithype crowd is just as (if not more) full of crap than the OMG!! AGG!!! PBN crowd, and at least twice as self-riteous.

Truth - My anti-hype.

Rant

[oldsoldier]

Coolhand, good point...but, seriously, I have seen alot of people at my field with problems. And, I personally dont like the limited amount of finger room inside the trigger. Again, this is all my OPINION. I could really care less about SP, or any other manufacturer, as long as the product works. You could turn around and sell it for as good as, or, a better price than you bought it for. The shockers do rip...and are EXTREMELY light, no kick at all. But, again, I have seen people with the problems, and it seems someone buys one, then wants to sell it immediately. Coolhand did bring up a good point though; dont trust hype; listen to people that have owned/shot them. And, most ppl here hate smartparts...due to their law history. but, ah well, if its a good deal to you, go for it.

[gc82000]

I know some guys that have Shockers and most of them have no real problems with them, on a rec or practice day. OMG He said some good stuff.
But in the last tourney, it was muddy, raining and very slippery, the guys with the Shockers started to have trouble, especially with the eyes. But that is the only real experience where I have seen them go down that bad.
And as for their ability to rip. Overrated. They are probably the slowest high end gun I have tired out. Angels #1, DM4 #2, E-bladed Cocker #3, and Timmys #4 are a lot faster. I have not tried out a Cyborg, Viking, or an Xmag, so I cannot count them.

[xprod77]

WOW - so many responses. Thanks for your input guys. It was all duly noted. Don't know what I am going to do yet - it's still a tough call just because of the resale value if I end up hating it.

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[madmolly]

Coolhand

Aren't you a little biased consider the new vert frame in the works? I have personally bought three brand new shockers from National for myself and teammates. All three are gone. They worked nice shot fast but would all of a sudden go haywire chop paint crap like that. I would do anything to have a marker that light. But my teammates convinced me after the last tourney where I was down trying to get my shocker to not chop paint and shoot. It really was a mess. I am going to get another one in a year. I hope they improve by then. Anything that small and light if it works I will use but it must work and work consistently. I bought a cyborg and a DM4 and now can say I am content with my marker selection.

[CoolHand]

Actually, I guess I'm biased because I have never had a problem with a Shocker (I've owned two of the new ones, and three of the old ones), or an Imp, that wasn't directly my fault.

I'm not here to defend SP's markers, but rather to stick a flag in some of the rampant BS that has been swirling around lately. It just happens to center around the shocker this time.

It is my opinion that all markers over $450-$500 are overpriced. Anything in that price range will shoot plenty fast enough, and in most cases be reliable to boot.

Also, Oldsoldier - I wasn't directing that at you. You came right out and said that all the things you touched on were your opinion, and being such, you can think (and therfore say) anything you want, no right or wrong about it.

Its the "The field I was at had 47 __enter marker name here__ and every one of them exploded as soon as the sunlight hit them!!!! OMG!!!" that's starting to grate on me. The uncheckable yet (seemingly) irrefutable first hand accounts that in all actuallity probabably came off more like "I heard of this one guy who had a __insert marker name here__ at the field last weekend, and he had all kinds of trouble with it, don't get one, they suck." On the internet and forums in general, hearsay and conjecture become fact and gospel so fast. I think people should be very careful of what they repeat, lest it get picked up as the god's own truth. (Unless that is their aim in the first place. )

[madmolly]

Agreed

I agree with you coolhand about so much out there being hearsay and just a question have you put some serious play into those shockers of yours. I know you are so busy at the shop. Mine was broke in and then everything replaced before every tourney. I never made it through one tourney without going to my backup DM4. I only did this for the reason my team is going with team guns next year and I wanted to try every marker made and see how it rates. I bought everything this year and gave them a very thorough test and played in tourneys with every one. It is amazing what crap there is out there for 700 800 bucks. I cannot believe some of the crappy quality on some markers that were 1000 dollars my dealer cost. It just sucks. The one that stood out was Dye. As much as I don't want to be some AGG DYE GUY I unfortuneatly just bought 5 DM4's and this will be my team's marker for next year. I don't like the price but you get what you pay for. Right now Dye owns the market for quality and craftsmanship. Of the 5 DM4's we got all five we just put on air tanks and they were all perfect out of the box shooting between 280 and 298 and we shot three halos threw each as fast as possible and zero breaks and some of my guys have amazing fingers. I hate to sound like a dye ad but they rock and that is the honest truth.

[madmolly]

ON a twisted note

I personally think the SF Shocker 1999 was the coolest thing next to the turbo. I would take and old shocker over a new one right now.

[peewee]

I can honestly say I miss my Turbo. Big azz bread box air hog thing that it was... It never failed me, but then again I took care of her.