for all you ninnies and efficency

[AGDlover]

AGD makes their parts last. They won't sacrafice quality for weight or style....much

[magmonkey]

there are alot of meanings to strength,


just because a material is strong in the sense that it will support alot of weight, does not mean that it is all that wear resisntant.


stress, strain, strength, stiffness, toughness.wear restance,elasticity and shear are all ways a material can be strong

Alan
DC

[Creative Mayhem]

I'm not sure you guys realize that the mag bolt has THE lightest reciprocating mass of ANY marker out there. What you guys keep failing to see it that the bolt isn't attached to any hammer like other markers.

Other markers - The hammer+bolt=reciprocating mass

Mags - Bolt=reciprocating mass

Less parts=?........... yup, you guessed it, lighter reciprocating mass.

[Muzikman]

I Ti bolts were not made by AGD, but by Venom Toxic Toys. It was a Ti housing with a nylon center. It was light, did not help one thing and didn't last long.

If I am not mistaken, the SB2 is actually lighter than the SB1.

Personman, what you are thinking of is the T \i valves, AGD made a handfull, they were no lighter and they got mixed up and realsed by mistake. You can not tell the difference besides the fact that a magnet will not stick to the Ti valve,

[MarkM]

I had a Titanium bolt in my mag...not made by AGD. A German company called Toxic Toys made them along with a set of spacer rings (at the time it was still power tube springs so they were years ahead of the rest) and an FFV. You got some smart little stickers to go with each part you had. The Bolt sleeve was Titanium and the centre section was plastic with a multihole arrangement together with a very small foamie...that you had to cut in half before applying them. The problem with them was that the lip that was held by the sear was a seperate piece of metal and this was then press fitted to the bolt and over time the two came apart. But that said when it worked the FPS gain was quite a lot over the stock bolt and bolt face breaks were a lot less. When I get a chance I will take a pic of this bolt it is in a kit bag of old paintball gear.

Edit just read Muzikmans post...oops I was replying to the previous posts

[personman]

Personman, what you are thinking of is the T \i valves, AGD made a handfull, they were no lighter and they got mixed up and realsed by mistake. You can not tell the difference besides the fact that a magnet will not stick to the Ti valve,

Errr my bad, in that sentence I was reffering to the idea of making a delrin bolt.. I was talking about the SB1

[Wheelman]

it's beeen done, needed the plastic nubbins, it didn't work real well and seem silly once the lvl10 came out

[Destructo6]

I wonder if they've considered producing bolts made of Ferrous Titanium Carbide (Ferro-TiC)? Lighter and stronger than steel, without the wear problems of Ti. It would probably be more than a little spendy, but it would sure sound cool.

[wolfwood_is_here]

what about dark horizon titanium products? They ultralite hammer for the tippy98c lasted over 60,000 cycles. Dark Horizon.

So, how come their products last that long, yet you claim that a titanium bolt would not last an entire hopper?

Is it because of the fact that DH makes hammers and not bolts? Does the automag bolt really go through that much stress? Please explain how you can have a titanium hammer inside something like a tippmann, but not a bolt in an automag.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

Wouldnt using a carbide tool rubbing on the inside of the reciever mean you would have to replace your body after several cases?

and besides any idea you post like this on a forum has already been considered by the manufacturer, except a few rare ones*

*that is assuming the manufacturer had a halfway decent R&D group

[trains are bad]

They ultralite hammer for the tippy98c lasted over 60,000 cycles

that pretty much proves it can take the sear wear. Whether it can be made into the shape sucessfully is another matter, and if it ever is done expect it to be wicked expensive.

[personman]

60000 cycles? That isnt a whole lot. Thats 30 cases.
Why would AGD put a product on the market that you have to replace like every year (well it depends on how much you shoot, some people with emags can shoot a hella lot)
Na, AGD is known for reliability and stability, not having to buy a new bolt every so often.
I can almost promise you that a titanium bolt will provide little to no advantage over the current SS super bolt.

[Destructo6]

Wouldnt using a carbide tool rubbing on the inside of the reciever mean you would have to replace your body after several cases?

I don't know, exactly. I'm just throwing stuff out there for general consideration.

Ferro-TiC is a steel alloy matrix that shouldn't be thought of as either Ti or Carbide. Depending on the alloy mix, you can manipulate the properties of the end product. At the tool room in which I was employed, we used it to make form dies for stamped Ti parts (clipnuts, if you care).

Shouldn't the bolt ride on the power tube Orings and spring, anyway?

[MikeRosenthal]

Strength: Sear>Bolt

I seem to remember that the bolt material and sear material were chosen so that the Bolt would wear not the sear.

If you make the bolt stronger you also have to increase the strength of the sear or it will wear out too quick.

(The sear will always wear in the same place where as the Bolt can just be spun a bit and you have a new surface for the sear to work with)